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I knew ice type attacks would still be a problem. Can he survuve ice shard after a coil or two. Everything you said here was great i agree. Also vaporeon is a great wish passer for him but on earlier pages we were deciding what his biggest threats were dragons and ice types. I said sylveon...

Jaroda omg sorry about the speed tiers thing lol i didnt word the question right i guess. But yeah i understand there better options running DD. Here's the proper question what are some feats he has had with coil, what has he survived that would show that outspeeding and spamming outrages cant...

Ok so now i have a question or something i want other people's opinion on Coil vs Dragon Dance. I dont what it is maybe bc its im an offensive player but when i run coil i feel the speed loss is to much and i find DD to be more useful spamming outrage and such. Coil provides defense and perfect...

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Extreme speed is important because you dont use it the first turn you attack with earthquake and then use extreme speed to finish them off at least thts how i envisioned it. Its also a late game sweeper so it can be valuable at times when picking off weak pokemon.

I was thinking outrage could replace stone edge though the extremespeed seems to important to pass up. Also the fact that with dragon dance stone edge isnt perfect accuracy so i agree dragon dance with outrage but i thought stone edge with coil would make more sense from what i know of its only...

So invest in speed got it. Unfortunately my Zygarde is adamant so i cant use the jolly spread :( regardless of the fact that he wont have that little extra bulk from a jolly nature at least he'll be hitting a little harder :/ *shrugs* Is outrage even helpful on this guy? It feels weird not...

When running coil is it better to invest in hp or speed? Also jolly lets you invest more in bulk but adamant gives you more strength so in natures i think its all up to preference.

I think he's most optimal like this: Zygarde@Leftovers/Life Orb Adamant 252atk 252spe 252spdef Coil/Dragon Dance Earthquake Stone Edge/Outrage Extremespeed The first set is coil it has more staying power and the other is dd with more offensive presence. Personally i think his coil set will be...

^ yeah i was just thinking dragon rush from a move tutor in the next game. I think ive come to a conclusion regarding evs. If your going to invest in speed run dd set because your not taking advantage of his bulk if you invest in hp run coil and let extremespeed take care of the speed loss.

Yeah i saw the extremespeed sets posted so I decided to try them out. Unfortunately i only have an adamant Zygarde and the other is quirky. A lot of Dragonites are using a weakness policy set without extremespeed from what ive seen. Its usually outrage dd elemental punch then e speed or e quake...

So an offensive coil set would be something like this? Zygarde@Leftovers Adamant 252 hp 252 atk 4 spdef or 252 atk 252 speed 4 hp which is better? Coil Earthquake Stone Edge Extremespeed I need help with the evs though i cant decide which is better Edit: if he ever got dragon rush from move...

^ phiferwolf there was evidence of double boosting being viable there is replay a few pages back showcasing it properly. Edit: Coil Dance focuses more on being a late game bulky sweeper than all out attacking like a DD set or a more bulky set like a Coil set. Consider it a middle ground...

Timid Nature 252 Sp Atk / 80 Def / 176 Spd Would this spread still allow MMY to outspeed anything that regular mewtwo is supposed to while also returning his defense up to a good margin. It was posted earlier(pg.6) and im hoping this spread fixes the defense issue on MMY.

Exactly he's a unique dragon who's main role isnt to sweep like his brothers he comes in great as a late game bulky sweeper and since dragons are common and usually quite threatening its good to have a counter to dragons on your team which will improve his success. (Lol imagine a fairy ice type...

Its ok we've already moved pass that argument. We've moved on to discuss why he is viable in OU. Idk how it got to that argument but both sides have already moved passed it lol. I think he is viable in OU and actually his biggest threats aren't fairies surprisingly there other dragons that are...

Actually idk i feel against offensive dragons he wont win most of the time due to fact that offensive dragons will often 1)maximize speed 2)SE dragon attacks 3)Zygarde relies on his bulk to survive and unless he's already got a boost in i dont think he'll come out on top now if he gets dual...

Considering azumarill is a very popular pokemon now and is arguably that best fairy and can be defeated by Zygarde which is really the underdog dragon this gen shows some of his viablity. Of course taking on one pokemon doesnt prove his status but that works in reverse too just because he can be...

Well if its on the switch that allows Zygarde to win due to superior speed. The was you guys have been saying it makes it sound like its terrible for Z to go up against Azu when it can still go toe to toe with it at least leave a big dent in Azu. Ill be honest i thought the +1 wouldve done more...