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Tokyo Tom, I really like how he has both a setup sweeper + VoltTurn, allowing multiple ways to threaten the other team offensively.

The way I see it, the entire point of two mega stones would be for versatility, not for strength in one certain way. So then if you don't build this type of team to function in multiple ways, then you are basically defeating the point. It's a bit like a mixed sweeper in that you use whatever...

Does using CB Ninjask in Ubers count? XD I'm the noob that does that, fyi.

1. Stop acting like you speak for the OU council and every other important member of Smogon. 2. You totally missed the point with the Scorpionede thing. Their point was that because one thing is better than another, it doesn't mean the latter isn't good. 3. Once again, one single person can...

Also note how he has provided us with the exact same arguments at least five times. And that whole, "No one person can know the best solution," thing? That's completely not true. People can know the best solution. He's clearly not included. The best solution is, as far as I can see, not one that...

Well. I think the pro-ban arguments are finally getting through (most) peoples thick skulls. Finally, we're getting somewhere! As for the nerf, I think it should be three BP'ers allowed. The Scolipede/Espeon/Sylveon trio has obvious strength, and seem to pretty much do all the heavy lifting...

So say we try three. It turns out that it fails miserably now. What do we do? Raise it to four. If that is too OP, then we find another solution. Simple as that. Except the other solution.

You know that big *** list you made of counters? Every single one except Trick Room has already been discussed, and Trick Room doesn't exactly need discussion. And you too. And everyone else new to the thread. Please, PLEASE read at the VERY LEAST, the last ten pages of the thread before you...

I vote simply for a maximum of three BP'ers per team. You can still have the ultra-strong core of Scolipede/Espeon/Sylveon, but all your supporting teammates can no longer continue the chain. It limits your support of the core basically, doesn't affect quickpass, drypass, or non-pass strategies...

People... I'm pretty sure we were past the, "Does BP need banned/nerfed," discussion and the, "are there counters for BP," discussion a long, LONG EFFING TIME AGO! So stop bringing it up! We already have a majority agreement on that, so let's move along to the next part of the discussion...

These kinds of posts are pretty much irrelevant. Rather than discussing whether there are counters doesn't matter. What we should be discussing is whether it is neccesary to run those counters or not, and if so, what to do about it. Note that nerfing dedicated BP teams is different from nerfing...

I think we can all agree that BP teams need nerfing. What we can't agree on though, is how to do it. The obvious solutions are to ban using >X amount of pokes with BP or to ban Scolipede or Espeon from OU or to disallow use of certain combinations of Scoli and Espeon. However, a solution that...

Aaand, what happens if they don't have Skarm? No boost loss. If they did have Skarm, one of two things would happen. A: If my sweeper was already out, I'd pwn it's face, or B: If Smeargle was still out, I'd set up SR since that's Smeargle's other function. Sure, the boost would be gone. But it's...

Has absolutely no one considered simply passing a couple Def and SpDef boosts to a setup sweeper like DD Char X/M-Tyranitar/Dragonite/whatever uses DD or something? Just use standard defensive baton passing to get the defensive boosts, then BP to your boostlessly-good set-up sweeper, get 1-2...

If anyone cares, here's the set I'm using. Nickname: Toge-Kick-Butt (because it totally kicks butt) move 1: Thunder Wave move 2: Air Slash move 3: Roost / Wish (Wish for slower recovery, but the ability to support the team as well) move 4: Heal Bell ability: Serene Grace item: Leftovers evs: 4...

Just throwing an idea out there. I honestly have no clue whether it would be any good or not, and I might give it a test run to find out. PuP is an incredibly low powered attack though, so it might turn out to be worthless. Still, being able to boost AV Aggron's attack would be pretty nice...

Hmm... it seems we both have something in common: Infernape is by far our favorite pokemon. We both want Infernape to be relevant in the metagame, and for that, I'm actually quite sorry. Until you said that, I never realized that my contributions to the thread could actually make him(/her of...

Welp. I deleted the post. In actuality, it was mostly poking fun at the way you guys seem to think that I think, if you didn't catch what I meant. It hardly had anything relevant on it, it was mostly rant about you failing to see logic which, upon rereading the post, I realize some of the logic...

Using PuP with AV might be intreresting... But there are probably much better options. Something like PuP, Head Smash, Ice Punch, and Iron Head/EQ. PuP to boost his attack with AV, which could potentially be destructive. Head Smash is there for the ultra powerful STAB attack, Ice Punch for...

My point is to get the SD up before the switch. If you don't, then you switch. And anyway, CB doesn't kill Talonflame on the switch either. Also, you say they will make sure to get SR off the field, correct? Two things. Maybe they don't have a way to get rid of SR by that point in the battle...