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  1. Of Moose & Men

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion [ UPDATE POST #1293]

    I think that's the best part about this... It's clear anyone with even a fraction of understanding of the game recognize that Tera is a problem. If it were anything else and/or years ago, we would know exactly what to do. I understand wanting to cater to the casual player, I understand wanting...
  2. Of Moose & Men

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion [ UPDATE POST #1293]

    Oh, I completely get it. And I think that what is being suggested to be (possibly) implemented is going to send us down the wrong path. For years, we have always wanted to have not only as competitive of a meta as possible, but a simple one as well. This is why, once again, for years we have...
  3. Of Moose & Men

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion [ UPDATE POST #1293]

    Can we add the gentlemen's agreement to allow me to use level 70 Zacian? "Gentlemen's agreements" should be reserved for absolutely game breaking things (and nothing more), a la Endless Battle Clause. We shouldn't be, again this is in my "old ways" opinion, implementing "Gentlemen's agreements"...
  4. Of Moose & Men

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion [ UPDATE POST #1293]

    why am I back here, am I in a bad dream I can't wake up from? You've explained the problem with these kinds of "restrictions". In theory we could make any Pokemon "manageable" with the right amount of arbitrary "nerfs". In my opinion (I know I'm an "old head") this would be a horrendous...
  5. Of Moose & Men

    SS Random Battle Suspect Process - Dynamax

    So we should base our decisions on the hopes that the worse player not only plays their own DMax poorly, but plays against your DMax poorly. So then, the other hundreds of replays where DMax doubles as a "win button" should suffice for the pro-ban side? I don't understand how people can...
  6. Of Moose & Men

    SS Random Battle Suspect Process - Dynamax

    So true, if anything was at play when I got light clay a-Ninetales + NP Dynamax Tornadus it was skill. Nothing more. This "skill" argument is such a joke
  7. Of Moose & Men

    Announcement np: SS OU Suspect Process, Round 2 - The Three of Us

    What was the point in this post other than stating your distaste for the decision made? We picked up on it from the On the Radar thread. There was absolutely no point in making this post other than making your distaste known, which no one cares about. We explained why it's noncompetitive at...
  8. Of Moose & Men

    Announcement np: SS OU Suspect Process, Round 2 - The Three of Us

    I just want to say that I am absolutely amazed at just how much of an absolute joke some of these "arguments" for anti-ban are... Here's the thing, I've spoken my mind on this garbage ability since 2015, go ahead check it out if you want. I have been vehemently in favor of Arena Trap being...
  9. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    Do I really need to express the differences between these two situations? Quagsire preventing a Pokemon from sweeping does not remove the Sweeper from play. It does not force the person using said sweeper into a corner with the ever present possibility that one wrong move can remove said...
  10. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    You see no issues with running Shed Shell on Heatran solely to avoid losing it to a Diglett or Trapinch? Interesting. More power to ya.
  11. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    You're making an argument with a point no one is trying to make. Trapping on its own is not necessarily noncompetitive. Infestation is not noncompetitive as it requires a turn of set up leaving room for counter play. When I bring in Durant, regardless of whether or not I Infestation you can...
  12. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    I'm not repeating 5 pages worth of discussion on this. And we have removed abilities that fit this description, see Shadow Tag. And you cannot compare moves to abilities. One the opponent can switch into a reliable answer to while the other they are prevented from it. Are we really unable to...
  13. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    I just want to express that one of the two choices here will likely result in us having this exact same discussion at the end of the year. We know that Heatran, Chansey, etc. are coming back, which will absolutely result in both Diglett and Trapinch making their way in. Sure, call it...
  14. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    Pretty sure that was not meant to be seen as a complex ban, and rather the user saying ban AT and ban Vish. Not the combination of the two. With that said, I'm not sure if y'all are expecting any real discussion past what has already been stated. This is a discussion we've had for the past 4...
  15. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    The "if you remove the ability it's bad" "argument" is trying to say that Duggy is clearly not the issue, and is instead the ability. Diglett and Trapinch's mention is only to further explain why it's the ability rather than the Pokemon. Most arguments from both sides are pretty bare bones (one...
  16. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    Please, not this again. Arena Trap, get rid of it, shouldn't have been "unbanned" in the first place, and we're seeing exactly why. Just ban the ability, it's inherently noncompetitive. I'm willing to bet this will be the overwhelming consensus. We tried banning Duggy last gen, and it was just a...
  17. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    There can be. Quick Bans are typically reserved for blatantly obvious broken Pokemon. Keep in mind things like Mega Mence and Mega Mom were quick ban "targets". Darm isn't as blatantly broken as previous quick Bans. So people will naturally voice their opinions when it's quick banned, especially...
  18. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    They did, it's Darmanitan as a whole. Don't attempt to revive that dogshit. Take it or leave it, they made it clear it will be Darmanitan and not Gorilla Tactics. And the point here is to gauge whether it should be a suspect or a quickban because the common consensus is that it should go, one...
  19. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    I wouldn't use the people who have posted on this thread as an indication of the community as a whole, in which case 90% is likely a stretch. A suspect is always the "safer" route to take, just because it's a lot easier to "accept". Which is why they mentioned the PR aspect. I personally don't...
  20. Of Moose & Men

    On The Radar Vol. 2 [See Post #336]

    I'll respond to you with something I said a few pages back... This is "muh dry pass" all over again... No, by my logic, I would ban the Pokemon that Huge power is on if it's broken, because Huge Power on its own is not broken... I'm not tiptoeing around something on the grounds of...
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