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  1. np: Intro to Ubers Testing: It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

    Are you telling me that Ubers, the land of the game-ending setup sweepers, is going to simply accept a near-70% chance to let a Pokemon switch in and use whatever move it pleases? With some Pokemon, it's even a 49% chance to use two moves in a row absolutely for free. What if, for example, your...
  2. np: Intro to Ubers Testing: It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

    There's also the very real danger of Sheer Cold failing entirely, and your opponent getting a Pokemon in completely for free. My guess is that the set will either completely fall through due to people allowing free setup with no drawbacks, or be a success and end up with OHKO banned because...
  3. np: Intro to Ubers Testing: It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

    I'm having trouble seeing right now why anyone would run Sheer Cold on Kyogre. Water Spout is so strong that it's very close to an OHKO move as-is, and it has 100% accuracy. Kyogre is good enough that OHKO moves are more liability than strength. What OHKO moves seem like they'd be good on are...
  4. Counter This Pokemon [OLD VERSION]

    Espeon@Light Clay Magic Bounce/Timid 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe -Reflect -Light Screen -HP Fighting -Psychic Dual Screens Espeon, nothing to see here. This is not a counter, but rather a check. What it allows you to do is prevent your opponent from blindly using Spore, and enters prediction into the...
  5. White Kyurem & Black Kyurem

    So what you're telling me is that we now have two Pokemon only slightly weaker than Deoxys-A (although far slower), and now they can take hits? CB Haxorus is strong enough in OU already, because outside of a few Steel-types NOTHING handles Outrage all that well. That should give some indication...
  6. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    Reasonable argument, except that one of the ideas behind Multitype is that the opponent is able to identify what type is being used. My personal opinion is that Multitype is one of those abilities that just doesn't make sense outside of the Pokemon in question, like Zen Mode. With that in mind...
  7. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    Change the thread title. Sand Force: Change Tier Mold Breaker: Change Tier Moxie: Do Not Change Tier Magnet Pull: Change Tier Quick Feet: Change Tier Sturdy: Do Not Change Tier Speed Boost: Change Tier Magic Guard: Change Tier
  8. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    Agreed. Until further notice, I'm going to define it as "requiring a combination of stat spread and movepool that results in less than ten Pokemon that will exhibit a significant increase in power". I'll temporarily define "significant increase in power" as "two tiers of change, with Ubers being...
  9. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    Agreeing with Magic Guard to S. We have clear proof of it taking Pokemon and making them much better, we know that it's pure upside, and we can easily theorize about other Pokemon that would be vastly improved with it. Pretty much anything with dual SR weakness would jump up a couple of tiers...
  10. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    Speed Boost is one of the most obvious S-tier abilities, I believe. What it does is give Pokemon setup moves they should not have and prevents them from being revenged. At its absolute worst, Speed Boost prevents a Pokemon from being put on a Trick Room team. At its best, it transforms a UU 'mon...
  11. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    We're voting exclusively on S-tier abilities right now. If you vote for a tier change, it (for obvious reasons) can only be a demotion.
  12. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    Prankster: Change Tier Contrary: Change Tier
  13. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    NOMINATION: Contrary to B Exactly what it says on the tin. I've presented my case before in this thread, as have many other people. Contrary requires a lot to be useful: one of a VERY small subset of moves and an appropriate stat spread. Even then, barring Draco Meteor every one of those moves...
  14. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    If it requires a specific movepool and stats to pull off, it's B-tier. Without stat-lowering offensive moves, Contrary is D-tier: sometimes helpful against things like Intimidate and Seed Flare, but in general just a waste of space (which can backfire by preventing the Pokemon from ever setting...
  15. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    No, it doesn't. Intimidate, for example, is gonna keep on being good no matter how many Pokemon it's on. Drizzle and Drought are outstanding PRECISELY because they are in such short supply. Let me explain using clear examples. Vulpix is unheard of in OU, because it is completely inferior to...
  16. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    @Deck Knight: I think you're making a critical mistake. We're not talking about how these abilities would fare in some magical metagame where every Pokemon could have access to them (Balanced Hackmons). We're talking about how strong these abilities pan out being in the standard game. For...
  17. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    In that case, I have a serious problem with the tiering description, because there's no distinct difference between A and S. There are, for example, MANY nonviable Pokemon that you could put Prankster and Huge Power on that would barely shift in their tiering for it. Contrary in particular would...
  18. Ability Tiering Thread and General Ability Discussion (Final Check)

    S rank needs work. Many of those abilities CAN'T simply be put on any Pokemon: for example, how would Blissey be the better for having Pure Power? Here's my view on it: Arena Trap (would send to A, as Wobbuffet and Dugtrio show that trapping moves need to have a somewhat tailored Pokemon and...
  19. Warstory: Float Like a Rotom, Sting Like a Terrakion

    A meh battle makes for a meh story. No matter how many pretty words you shove into it, you can't put strategy and tension into a battle that doesn't have it. Stop being overprotective. The guy wrote nicely, his formatting was good, but the battle was pretty miserable. Doesn't mean he should give...
  20. What do you think is the most underrated Pokemon in OU? (Read the OP and Post #215)

    Please try to actually USE Archeops. It isn't a Pokemon you can just throw onto teams, sure, but not every Pokemon can be Scizor. Prepare a team that can use it and give it a shot. The precise nature of your criticism shows me you haven't. Legitimate criticism is "it's hard to switch in" and...
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