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  1. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    I think the game was fairly close until the OD/Quagsires incident. After that, the mafia had a massive advantage. Anyway, thanks to walrein for hosting a good game, it was a new experience playing NOC, and I'll happily admit I wasn't the best at it, although its a miracle I survived so long.
  2. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    I don't know how common a role it is here, but on other sites I've visited mafia quite often has a janitor which prevents role from being revealed, so thats my best guess.
  3. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    Quick reads list, since someone (ginga I think) asked, I'll re-read the last few days and give something more detailed this afternoon when I'm less busy. EP: Someone I need to re-read really, seemed suspicious at first, but his defence seemed village to me, so I'm struggling to get an overall...
  4. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    Yeah, I was mainly advising him to read up in case he has any useful thoughts.
  5. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    I accept my last post was badly written, and I certainly didn't mean to say that it was funny flamestrike was dead, but my point that kaxtar has come out and said that 2 of the 3 most suspected people, and not just by me, are clear seems strange still stands. I'd recomment reading the whole...
  6. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    That was a bizzare tactic by OD, I look forward to seeing the discussion thread. Anyway, @kaxtar, I find it amusing that of your 3 clears, 1 died and the other 2 are among the most suspected players here, whats your reasoning?
  7. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    @ Jalmont, I can't point to any examples of AG leading a mislynch, and town hooker is a more believable role than One-shot insane question asker, but AG was scummy for reasons other than that. I believe I covered everything else in your post already. On the point of OD, I still find it strange...
  8. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    The mafia aren't stupid, they'd know that chances are leading a mislynch against a vanilla would get the person who did it killed, especially in the way it happened. How would it not be stupid for mafia to sacrifice probably their most trusted member for a simple vanillager.
  9. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    Yeah, I presume this sub is for pernicious. Anyway, as to yesterday, I'm inclined to trust OD on this. Yes he got it wrong, but for mafia to sacrifice one of their own to kill a vanilla makes no sense to me. If he was doctor then I could maybe see it, but even then the mafia would night kill...
  10. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    My logic is that AG was incredibly scummy, and therefore I'm essentially lynching him, hardly bizzare logic. Also, OMGUS much? I've already given my opinion on Pernicious, and Quagsires, while looking scummy, wasn't as scummy looking as AG. Having said that, since we have a claim of...
  11. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    I said that you are playing like a town, but that your predecessor in the role was so unbelievably scummy throughout that for the time being, that outweighs it to such an extent that for the time being you are the best person to lynch in my opinion.
  12. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    I've read through EP's posts this phase, and to be fair to him his defence does make sense, and he raises some very valid points about AG, the one about him being hooked by a mafia hooker etc I hadn't personally considered. Therefore, while some suspicions of him remain to me, he's no longer top...
  13. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    @mithril, jalmont had asked my opinion on empoof, and since I was writing down brief opinions on his posts to help formulate one, I thought I may as well post the lot. Also, while Jalmont I agree is playing like a town, at the moment it doesn't override how scummy Aura Guardian was, although...
  14. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    @khz, I was primarily referring to AG, who only posted when attacked, and went completely silent after the suspicion lifted, although this has been raised since that post. Also, NWO was pretty quiet on the day in question. On Empoof, his first post obviously caused suspicion, although I...
  15. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    @jalmont On Flamestrike, see this post:http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3974916&postcount=528, which gives my thoughts on flamestrike. As for Empoof, I don't have any immediate thoughts, and its too late now for me to do a full read through of his posts (I'm in the UK so its past...
  16. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    Can someone explain to me what this even means, since he appears to be saying that he thought ditto was trustworthy, but then thinks I'm scummy for finding him trustworthy, which doesn't make any sense to me, although maybe I'm misinterpreting him. In fact, literally none of his post makes any...
  17. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    At the point at which I'd said that about 5 members, yourself included, had given town reads on him, and only one had put him so much as uncertain, it was only after my post that people like paperblade questioned him as well. As for hydrattler, I'm focusing on him and will continue to focus on...
  18. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    Which question am I asking again and again? If you mean asking Hydrattler for 3 scummiest players, then I'm asking it again because he still hasn't answered and I'm trying to stop it from getting buried. And I'm not copying anyone with that question because I was the first to ask it to...
  19. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    So, reading that post from paperblade in hindsight, I take it as a soft-claim that mithril is clear, since his reasoning seemed pretty weak at the time, and mithril was under suspicion. I'm unconvinced by EP at the moment, since although his choice of khz as the inactive was an odd one, his...
  20. Returning to Our Roots NOC Mafia - GAME OVER: The Mafia Wins

    Not overly surprised about ditto tbh in retrospect, it seemed odd that it was the strongest players being night-killed, and yet ditto, arguable the strongest player, was still around. Anyway, lynch hydrattler until he starts talking and gives his 3 scummiest players.
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