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You don't even know what my argument is. I never said greninja makes mega metagross broken. I literally said that I would likely still not think metagross is broken even if greninja were gone. All I said that was that it's incorrect to think that timing of suspects doesnt make a difference.

Let's talk about offensive and defensive counterplay. Offense - Metagross will have a bad day against many common mons that are able to get in on it freely. Greninja (both forms) (scarf) Hoopa U Dugtrio (sand rush/scarf) excadrill Volcarona (scarf) Heatran Tapu Koko Gengar Mimikyu Bisharp...

I don't think anyone should take much, if anything, from your post. You don't even seem to know what a check is. A check does not have to safely switch into the mon it is checking. Fact of the matter is that greninja is an [offensive] check to mega metagross. Another thing - order of...

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We can even add more to the list of switch-ins Skarmory - Walls any non-thunderpunch + electric terrain metagross and even has the chance to kill it Physically defensive Hippodon - can sponge all of metagross' attacks M-Sabeleye - physically defensive variants avoid the 2hko and burn/foul play...

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Ash Greninja's Specs Hydro Pump pre-transformation does not hit significantly harder than Koko's Thunderbolt 252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 118-139 (18.3 - 21.6%) -- possible 5HKO 252 SpA Magnet Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite...

"Hit or miss in many matchups" could be said about Lele, Ash Greninja, Celesteela, and Mawile too, then, because all of those mons have their share of dead plays and Koko is no less potent than these. I think Zygarde is S rank so I wont get into that. For example let's compare Koko to Ash...

You are not comprehending what I wrote correctly. I said the top 3 megas all benefit from Koko due to pseudo-STAB thunder punch. I am using present tense, aka metagross, medicham, and mawile. medicham and mawile havent even available since day 1 so I dont know where you're coming from with...

I agree with robopoke regarding Koko vs webs. Youre playing a very dangerous game if you lead with smeargle. Koko can ruin a webs team turn 1 so you're best leading with your electric answer.

wtf? Everything Ultraballz said I had already said in post 1226, the post you first quoted. I mentioned the 3 best megas and thunderpunch (obviously metagross, medicham, and mawile based on viability rankings) and the fact that Koko matches up well against webs. I mentioned that Koko can shut...

Electric immunities and fat resists are popular indeed, but like I mentioned, Koko has access to U-turn which allows it to completely turn the tables on the side trying to defend against it. Bulky grounds and grasses are easy to overload. They are relied upon as answers to the premier offensive...

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I'd like to nominate Tapu Koko to be raised to A+ Tapu Koko is nuts right now. It is a momentum machine with incredible damage output (terrain boosted electric attack + nature's madness allows it to chunk anything except shedinja) and the highest non mega speed in the tier (until ash greninja...