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  1. Dragonite

    Aqua Jet sucks even in rain as Extremespeed still outdamages it. If you want priority, use Azumarill Aqua Jet in rain who takes better advantage in that scenario. Personally, I think Extremespeed is overrated on Dragonite because unless things like Latios or Haxorus have been weakened to about...
  2. Let's shake up the DW OU metagame...

    I always ran Jolly Excadrill. But never mind. Since Dream World existed then with Shadow Tag Chand, TechLoom, Unburden Lee then already in the very early stages, what is the point of a test? Wouldn't there be data already or was that unofficial? (Then again it probably was since it was all...
  3. Heatran

    The existence of a steel/ghost which still has to be made. It would probably be some sort of legendary. As for now, Heatran is good typing and did no one ever run Hp Electric on their Heatrans in 4th generation? I did, it was a recommended move (unless in the gameboy).
  4. Let's shake up the DW OU metagame...

    I'm not sure what you guys are even going on about. Darkrai, Manaphy, Skymin and friends were STILL UBER then and that was in DreamWorld Tier. Manaphy is hella hard to kill (and no, Tail Glow is actually not it's best set, Calm Mind is), BatonPass Blaziken is fun (and broken as crap), Hitmonlee...
  5. Creative (and good) Movesets (READ THE OP FIRST)

    If you're using it as a lure, you don't want them to be getting a +2 hopefully (by the way, watch out for potential Grass Knots from a mixed Infernape who'll murder you). Since you shouldn't really be switching in, Chople Berry isn't needed (and if you switch into a fighting attack, they're...
  6. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    Choice Band Dragonite Extremespeed doesn't 2 hit ko through Reflect and neither does Choice Band Scizor Bullet Punch in most cases. Why are you saying it does? Deoxys-S could also most of the time live through even Rotom-W Volt Switch Choice Band Scizor U-Turn spam to set up screens. Rotom needs...
  7. General Metagame Discussion

    The sole purpose for Hp Fire is Ferrothorn most likely (and should you ever see it Rotom-C although Ice hits that as well). I can't imagine any other reason for it. I don't know why anyone would run Expert Belt on Rotom for that matter. That's just stupid when Choice Specs/Scarf/Lefties are...
  8. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    Haxorus will still 2 hit ko with Outrage on Ferrothorn and Ferrothorn with Gyroball doesn't kill it because of Reflect. It could be revenged by a very strong Choice Band Scizor Bullet Punch or Dragonite Extremespeed but otherwise, no, not really. And Brongzong dies to Earthquake, horribly. Every...
  9. Snatch

    Deoxys-D is the best user of the move because very few pokemon without Choice Band/Specs have the power to even 2 hit ko and also forces them to reveal if they are banded since they'll do over half. On the other hand, you can Snatch Dragon Dances from Dragonite/Haxorus/Salamence and then...
  10. General Metagame Discussion

    Is Energy Ball really required? Sludge Bomb/Hp Fire hit most things (as long as you Sleep Powder that Heatran!) and most waters still despise +2 Sludge Bomb, especially with the 30% chance of Toxic poison status. Well, I guess Tentacruel can take that but unless it has Icebeam, what exactly is...
  11. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    Tyranitar has to be Choice Banded to even 2 hit ko Dual Screen Deoxys in which case it can die to a potential Super Power on another and if Tyranitar carries Chople Berry, Deoxys can safely set up screens in it's face. Deoxys has to carry Life Orb to guarantee Super Power is an ohko (barring...
  12. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    Way wrong comparison since Deoxys-S and Palkia are so far different it's ridiculous and nobody would ever think Palkia is good for OU (and if they do they're stupid), and Ferrothorn does not counter since Palkia can carry Fire Blast or Focus Punch but never mind that. Choice Scarf Palkia alone...
  13. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    I like the idea of 105+speed Choice Scarfers (I saw Zoroark which is always awesome for awful mindgames for the opponent because Zoroark can ohko Deoxys first but what if it's not Zoroark and something Deoxys would normally set up on, etc) but the reason Starmie/Gengar/Alakazam are not scarfed...
  14. Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer Mark III: Read the FAQ in the Opening Post

    Can Reflect or Light Screen be Snatched by Snatch or does that not work?
  15. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    You yourself had said earlier that Screens can be snatched. I'm going to have to get another person to confirm this or if Snatch would unfortunately not work on screens. I guess I do see the issue in forcing a switch to Scizor who would U-Turn Deoxys back in however. That would be...
  16. The WALLS thread!

    It doesn't learn Scald which is why Dewgon has to Surf. One of the best underrated Mixed Walls of all time...Deoxys-D. Deoxys D Leftovers Trait: Pressure Nature: Bold 252 Hp/140 Def/116 SDef -Recover -Snatch -Magic Coat -Toxic With 430 Defense and 385 Special defense, Deoxys D survives...
  17. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    I know you can't Toxic Stall Scizor, I said Steels and Poison types are going to give it problems and Volcarona and Scizor in particular. However, it stops Screens and hazards and you hopefully have other things to stop Scizor/Rotom spamming, Blissey might be a possibility (roast Scizor and wall...
  18. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    Snatch is for the boosting and either way, you've forced them to not use Screens/Hazards like they wanted. I say that's pretty darn good. Scizor and Volcarona will force you out and you will need something for them but you prevented the nightmare of Scizor/Volcarona/Dragonite behind screens...
  19. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    It gives up their fast Taunt then and Tornadus can just U-Turn out to another priority attacker to finish it off. At best then, Deoxys will only manage to get a layer of spikes/Stealth Rock, or 1 screen up (probably Light Screen from Tornadus) before Deoxy-S has to move or die. The attacking...
  20. Deoxys-S Tiering Discussion

    Since Thundurus keeps coming up, why don't people use Tornadus with Taunt? It has the same stats and although it unfortunately lacks Thunderwave and Nasty Plot, you can still abuse priority speed Taunt, smack things hard with Hurricane, and in drastic situations U-Turn out which will also...
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