Originally Posted by Fat Serene Grace
Of course,we can also suppose that you "didn't" undermine the test, and that you actually were competitive. Then if you were a competitive player, then you were clearly successful in winning games, without the use of Shaymin. This implies that following
1) Shaymin S is not "broken" enough to be the dominating strategy. The successes of you and other players who "refused" to use Shaymin and still got to the top shows this - considering Shaymin was clearly OU and used frequently.
2) Your team was not overwhelmed by Shaymin S at all - meaning that Shaymin S is not broken, and you were able to deal with it just fine.
So you can accept one of the following conclusions.
1) The players are NOT competitive, and therefore undermines the test, and should not have voted.
2) The players are competitive, but have no idea what they are talking about, and have an alternate agenda they wish to fulfill even though it is not the most competitive decision. This also implies that Shaymin S is clearly not uber, since by your actions you have shown to us that Shaymin S is not uber by anymeans but perfectly viable and there are a good chunk of players who do not need to use Shaymin to find themselves successful within the metagame.
By offering 1 as the solution, I was being nice, considering I rather claim that you guys are lazy and not working to your full potential rather than calling all of you ignorant and not informed and promoting a uncompetitive spirit overall despite you guys being "competitive". I offered the solution where all of you who "didnt use shaymin" and "voted uber" were not blatantly wrong about all of this.
How convenient of you to state as fact that those are the only situations and conclusions possible. I guess your method of debating is to set up the battle field so that every possibility ends in your favor? Nice try, but you obviously overlooked a few situations. Let me give you my case as an example that does not fit into your scenarios.
When designing teams in this metagame, I made sure to pack multiple Pokemon who can outspeed Skymin with a scarf, use a powerful priority, make sure that SR is somewhere, and resist Skymin's STAB attacks in case of a rare Scarfmin. Was I able to do this successfully, and make a team that succeeded overall? Yes. However, the pool of Pokemon that fit this criteria was so shallow, that I could not vary my teams up much. Having to pack so many fail-safes on one Pokemon is what we call overcentralization. In the Garchomp days, I was rarely seen actually using Garchomp, but I was still successful because I packed enough things to always be able to revenge.
This is still a very viable strategy that players can adopt, and still be considered competitive. Funny that you failed to mention it, though, as one of the scenarios you listed.