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Originally Posted by Fat Goldfan

I don't know if it's just me, but I always found that Life Orb Magnezone worked better than Choice Scarf Magnezone, and I will put forward my reasoning here. I found the ability to change moves after Shed Shell switching invaluable, and I'm sure people will be doing it more and more these days now you've revealed this team. [etc]

heh LO Zone is probably my favorite, as it can deal with EQ Bronzong and OHKO Blissey. But I really need this to take out Lucario. It's also really handy that it attacks Latias first (with Explosion usually), since with a Naive nature and mediocre SpDef I don't really take too many Dragon Pulses.

Originally Posted by Fat Goldfan

The Latias set actually looks pretty cool, I guess you might want to consider running a little bit more SpA for those more overcautious Blisseys, are those HP EVs there for anything specific? If not, why not test it out with 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe just in case (again as people seeing this RMT might decide to bump Blisseys SpD up to counter it)

I have certainly considered it; when I get my computer back I'll try this out.

Originally Posted by Fat Goldfan

OK, so let's more on to some of the issues that you have been having, Gyarados (who I also found to be quite a threat on suspect) You could bump Salamence's Defence up enough to take a +0 Stone Edge from Gyarados, but that requires quite a large investment if you factor in Stealth Rock and you find find yourself losing a lot of Attack or Speed or both.

OK I ran some calcs and with 56 Def EVs I can always avoid a +0 Stone Edge KO even with Sandstorm damage. The drop in attack makes it as if I'm attacking off of 128 base SpAtk instead of 135, which is obviously still formidable. Definitely worth trying out.

Originally Posted by Fat Giant Enemy Crab

I suggest you go with 252 HP/160 Speed/98 Defence on Kingdra. That spread obviously makes you a lot more bulky, and random Ice Beams from the likes of Suicune/Vaporeon can't break it. Also, you net 246 Speed which obviously outspeeds Adamant TTar, so thats why I use it. Normally the 98 EVs leftover would be alloted to Attack but putting those 98 EVs into defence turns a +0 LO Stone edge from Gyarados from a possible 2HKO (45.20% - 53.11%) to a 3HKO (40.68% - 48.02%). even taking Stealth Rock damage into account, you still have a 47% chance to avoid being 2HKOed. I really recommend you use this EV Spread.

My "thing" with kingdra is that I want it to stay fast to outrun Gyarados, Heatran, Heracross, etc. So I will likely look into doing something like this - and I will make Kingdra Jolly - along with Goldfan's suggested Salamence change, so that I will have some physical bulk to go with Latias' huge special stat. (Sorry I usually use shoddy to make speed comparisons =P )

Originally Posted by Fat Giant Enemy Crab

Nextly, I think you should make Scizor a lot more bulky too. doing so would make it a reliable check for Latias. Just like the Uber Trapper spread, 252 HP/76 Atk/176 SpD/4 Speed makes a really good spread for OU Play. Obviously making Scizor this bulky will make Latias a lot more easier for you. Heck, you could even run SD/Light Screen/Bullet Punch/Brick Break or something like that to make latias even easier, and you will defeat Sub Latias.

Yeah that would be helpful to beat Latias, but I would lose my ability to outspeed Rotom, Tyranitar, and the Bulky Waters with U-Turn, which is just as important. And I'm really not willing to sacrifice any Attack, since I need Bullet Punch as a revenge kill on DD users. Besides, no matter what I put in HP and SpDef there is no way in hell that Scizor is surviving a Calm Mind HP Fire. In short, it would help against sub Latias, but I would lose coverage against too many other things to commit to a change to deal with such a rare set.

Originally Posted by Fat Astamatitos

Onto the gyarados weak, i'd switch CBMence into a Scarf moveset as it both allows you to outspeed Gyarados even after a DD and OHKO with Stone Edge while it simultaneously provides a solid revenge killer to multiple stuff.
Of course that's not really solving the problem, if i were you i'd even drop Earth Power or Explosion for HP Electric and use Heatran as a lure to remove Gyarados out of the picture early in the game.

My original version of this team did in fact have a Scarfmence, but I found that I was outspeeding most things anyway. Everything faster than Latias is pretty much a joke for this team to deal with, and Scarf users might as well be free set-ups since this team has such good defensive coverage. So the switch to scarf really would just be for like Gyarados and Starmie, and I think the extra defense suggestions from Goldfan and GEC create less of an impact on this team's overall offensive power.

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Thanks for the suggestions and comments, everyone!