[TAY]

Originally Posted by Fat panamaxis

Hey Tay, I've played you on suspect a lot and I can say this is a very good team. I would suggest running Psycho-Shift over Refresh on Latias, they pretty much do the same thing except you give your opponent the status. Your a bit gyarados weak as you already know but as long as you keep kingdra healthy or prevent it from dancing you should be okay. Have you considered rest > substitute with chesto? Kingdra is pretty bulky, so testing leftovers > lum might be a good option.

Heh you were one of the only people who could consistently beat me.

Anyway, if psycho shift gets rid of status even if my opponent is statused already then this would be a brilliant change. I'll have to look into that in the future....

@Legacy Rider and Colonel M: I admit that Lum and Substitute is a bit redundant, but it has been helpful in many situations (especially against Rotom and Celebi). What often happens is they will Twave or WoW into my lum berry, and then use it again as I sub, giving me an extra attack. Sub can also "protect" the Lum berry as I outrage so that I can cure confusion and continue a sweep. The kicker is that Kingdra doesn't have a lot of options for a better attack...maybe like Signal Beam or Hydro Pump, but Kingdra is so important defensively that I wouldn't want to give it a -def/-spdef nature.

Originally Posted by Fat Gaylum

Heatran:
Is there a particular reason you are running maximum Speed? The Speed tie with Heatran seems largely pointless to me given your team, coupled with the fact a large majority are still using Choice Scarf. I really just don't see the point. I've watched your battles and I haven't seen one instance where this Speed tie was particularly helpful. I'm going to suggest to you a different EV spread. Let's use Timid, 32 Atk / 252 SpA / 224 Spe. So, what do my EVs do? Timid and 224 Speed gives you enough to outrun Adamant Heracross and Kingdra. You still outrun Adamant Gyardos and friends as well. 32 Attack EVs gives you 201 Attack compared to your 217 Attack with 4 attack EVs and a neutral natured. Now, why did the great Caelum suggest switching to Timid? I see Choice Specs Latias being problematic for your team unless you have godly prediction skills (which you obviously do because you are TAY). By switching to a Timid nature you no longer are 3HKOed by a 319 SpA Choice Specs Latias Dragon Pulse on average. Furthermore, you are never OHKOed by 319 SpA Choice Specs Latias Surf and are not OHKOed on average even if you take Stealth Rock damage. Also, +1 (Calm Mind) 276 SpA Surf will also never OHKO a Timid Heatran even with Stealth Rock unless Latias is holding a Life Orb (in which case it still survives this on average). So, why do I care so much about Latias with this EV spread? Choice Specs Latias IS going to switch into your Heatran and knowing that it gives your team trouble my EV spread can help remove it from the picture early in the game. You attack and Latias switches in; they'll go for the Choice Specs Surf, and then you can blow up on it. If you want, you can change the spread to 32 Atk / 224 SpA / 252 Spe if you REALLY want maximum Speed. However, to sufficiently check Choice Specs Latias which everyone will switch in just merrily I really think you should be using a neutral Special Defense nature.

Max speed Heatran is useful against other Heatrans, obviously. It is pretty popular, you know! The thing about specs latias is that once I know it is running specs I shouldn't have too much trouble with it. And no one will use DPulse until late game, so I don't think that maybe getting a 3hko on my suicide lead is really worth it; I would rather have it do well against other leas heatrans (which has come up quite a few times, actually). Specs Latias can't really switch into fire blast more than a few times anyway, and if it predicts wrong I can obviously kill it in one hit. Not to mention even if it predicts right I get a free set-up. And a difference of 16 Attack points is a lot =0

Originally Posted by Fat Cumlum

Latias: Let's see. You have Refresh and Recover. Why do you give a shit about Blissey? The most special defensive Blissey in standard is typically 651 HP / 385 SpD. That spread takes 39% - 46% from a +6 Dragon Pulse. Given you are faster it is likely you will beat it 1 on 1 anyway because of a critical hit. You are going to force it to Softboiled constantly so you'll drain the PP out anyway. Dragon Pulse & Softboiled have the same PP, just predict when the softboiled is coming and use Refresh or something or CM. Just intelligently drain the Softboiled PP and you'll be fine.

Well the extra damage is generally helpful as well...I just used Blissey as a point to measure my calcs from, since it is the quintessential special wall. At any rate, the Softboiled / Ice Beam / T-Wave / SToss Blissey is still pretty common, and I can't PP stall that without incapacitating Latias in the process. And come on maths boy, the chance of me critting at least once with 16 attacks is only ~64.39%, which is a gamble I would rather not take. And although I could predict and drain softboiled PP, I likely wouldn't be left with more than two or three pulses afterwards. Besides, the chance of Blissey not freezing with 16 Ice Beams is only 18.53%, and, while I can't factor in the chance to unfreeze as they switch to a phyical attacker because I have no idea what it is, it certainly isn't in my favor. So yeah, beating Blissey isn't as much of a sure thing as you are suggesting. Though I do admit that Blissey was somewhat of an arbitrary choice, so if you have any suggestions for other things I should be trying to beat I am happy to listen!

Originally Posted by Fat Cutelum

Scizor: Bahahahahahaahah U-Turn SD Scizor. WHAT IS THAT SHIT.

IT IS THE BEST SCIZOR SET hahhaahahaahaha