thanks for that info magic umbreon, most notably the reminder that lucario gets thunderpunch which i had completely and utterly forgotten about (and couldn't check when i first though of how luke can beat every poke), thunderpunch is aan easy ohko on gyara after intimidate because no gyara have HP or Def EVs
with sash a cc/ip/tp/crunch/es "set" would likely have no problems outside of ridicuhax (or something im not thinking about atm)
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