Originally Posted by Fat sbc
Well what exactly does take a mence outrage easily? Swampert is merely a Mence check, hopefully SR is up early then you force it to Outrage and usually live to Ice Beam it or if you die you make it easy pickings for your revenge killer. That's pretty much the only way to handle mence anyway.
Yeah, obviously only few steels can survive a DD life orb'd Outrage, my point was that you can't define "counter" a pokemon which risks an ohko when switching into the threat it's supposed to counter.