[DrDimentio]

Originally Posted by Fat Peterko

good post Dr.D, that wasn´t an easy battle

I would´ve swords danced against salamence (probably) hmmm, wait maybe I would´ve analyzed the roster of sami first (lol it took me over 2 hours to make the move, when that torterra case happened)

oh I just remembered my salamence approach when I charm it...so there was another way, to try setting up registeel or even garchomp semi-full

let´s see

garchomp behind a sub, vs salamence
garchomp uses swords dance, salamence uses something to break sub, chomp at 132
switch, draco meteor 41-48 dmg, (-2), lefties, min 150 HP left
switch, flamethrower 17-21 dmg (111-115 HP left)
switch, draco meteor 21-24 dmg, (-4), lefties, min 137 HP left
switch, flamethrower 11-14 dmg (97-104 HP left)
switch, draco meteor 14-17 dmg, (-6), lefties, min 131 HP left (even shorter/better if he used DM to break chomp´s sub)

at this point, salamence does 20, 22 or 24 damage to your registeel, which is at 70% of its HP (min)

unless he CHs you right now (or later 2 in a row), you should beat it

20-22-24, sub (min 61, +11 = 72)
20-22-24, amnesia (83)
10-12, amnesia (94)
8-10,
- sub breaks if he did max damage with each of the 3 throwers (very improbable), amnesia
- sub doesn´t break, amnesia (105), now he does 6 or 8 damage with thrower, yeah, registeel is that good)
6-8, sub breaks (or doesn´t), sub
curse up + sub to be safe
recover HP when fully set up by PP wasting with amnesia and sub
1hko salamence

if he sends out gliscor and doesn´t counter or hit with guillotine, you´re behind a sub, which means you win the battle (note that quake from that particular gliscor 3hkos your sub, 2HKO only if he does max damage both times...so maybe I´d consider PP wasting guillotine here as well, depending on the # of subs you have and gliscor´s behaviour)

if he sends in hippo and doesn´t kill registeel (2 fissures in a row), you should be behind a sub before gliscor comes in, which means you win the battle

I didn´t do the calcs, but maybe you would have been able to even set up garchomp (like a SD and sub) after PP wasting draco meteor by switching

still a very hard battle, but you have to be able to win these kinds of battles to get to where I did


now I wanted to comment on one particular comment, but I won´t, because I already got used to the fact that they still occur and I find them amusing, some people just can´t get over / accept some things...

I agree, Swords Dance would have probably been safer... but of course I was hoping that the next poke would not be one of the very few who can survive 2 Outrages. I suppose I should've analyzed the roster like you have done, but it still would've come down to chance.

Um okay then, Registeel is Uber.... those calculations you did there are evidence of it! I had no idea that Registeel would be able to take the hits that well, then again I have a justifiable paranoia of critical hits, which in the case of DM may have been troublesome.

Yeah in that case I would've PP wasted Guillotine since I never take chances with OHKOs.

And I can only imagine how true that is that you had to win many tough battles like that to get to 2363 - of course, lead Guillotine Gliscor didn't do its thing to you before then, so that's the main difference.

Originally Posted by Fat christopher_ 1942

Not to be a nerd. But would Hypno be a good Pokemon in the Battle Frontier because it learns Thunder Wave, Flash and Switcheroo holding a Choice Scarf. Plus, it's bulky.

Main reason to not use Hypno is the lack of Ground immunity, which is bad due to high power and distribution of Earthquake, and other issues that arise from that. Other than that, he doesn't really take physical hits quite as well as most of the other common Trick leads.

Originally Posted by Fat Bozo

quoting this instead of the longer post below.

i have been trying very hard to guess what your mystery lead would be! but to be honest, i completely overlooked wish, since i know latias learns it, and i thought you said it was a move that only your new pokemon can learn ;) to be honest, ive toyed with the idea of wish, but figured once salamence/registeel gets set up, they're not going to want to switch out even to get some hp back. still, would be nice to switch into an attack and know you'll be at full health, even with a nicely timed CH. and i dont recall latias really needing to use recover too many times in a row.....

i like the idea of togekiss though - its a really cool pokemon :)

so, do you think you'll change to flash now? and sucks about the battle you lost. very unlucky :(

Yup, and you can see why I wasn't that exciting, lol. About that - at first I thought Wish was unique to Togekiss as a Trick lead, hence why I said 'unique move' I think, but then I checked Latias' movepool and was like ".................". Oh. But still, I like the difference in Tricked moves that comes from the Normal/Flying combination - especially Electric attacks. I think I might try Roost in my next attempt, since it will make it 'easy' to PP stall super-effective attacks and such. Also, unlike Wish it makes it easier to survive powerful hits where an extra turn of survival never comes.

Indeed, I have been a Togekiss fan for a long while despite the stupid name (hi, my toughest pokeman is togekiss), weird cry and lame shiny colours (someone dipped a normal one in a yellow puddle?). In fact, I use one as my Flying slave - have been doing so since my noob days in Pearl. But in the end, it's the rather awesome non-legendary base stats that make me like him.

Togekiss frequently survived 2 Ice/Thunder Punches from Metagross with a few HP remaining - definitely like having the Bold nature. I'll change to Flash if Roost isn't effective enough.

Originally Posted by Fat Bozo

actually yeah the lines the trainers give you when they win are frustrating, but they would be worse if they just said "GG" lol. personally, i'd consider deleting the video from youtube and reposting it! maybe not. will watch in a sec.....

im "pretty sure" he would have used draco meteor on the sub, based on everything ive observed in the battle castle (not that ive used sub there, but every time they use a SE effective move unless they can KO you). but i'll resist jumping in on the "another thing you could have done" discussion.



i now trick all dragon leads figuring that if they get locked on a special dragon move, registeel easily sets up - even draco meteor because of the SA drop (although i had a scare against a sniper kingdra that got a crit). whereas if it uses outrage and KO's latias, then i switch to salamence and then immediately switch again to registeel - it ends up with one attack drop (so it may as well be using an unboosted dragon claw) and is most likely confused by this point.

Just by coincidence, all the high streaks in which I've lost, have been to the few trainers who don't say annyoying, "ima best" kind of quotes. Doesn't matter though because in all these streaks (196, 313, 283) I've had the Peterko reaction - "oh, I lost".

Lol, I don't want to lose views and comments, plus it's funny when the site has hidden messages in the URLs. So 'GG' it will remain.

Indeed, what really matters is that I learned something from my loss. Mainly that Registeel is awesome, as Peterko's calcs showed, and next time I'd switch to him in that situation, probably.

Still, it sucks that Sand Veil fails when you need it most. For that reason, ability-wise - Salamence > Garchomp.

Now this is a 'short' post by my standards!