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Originally Posted by Fat Elevator Music
That argument turns in on itself when you realize the Rev user isn't just using Rev+5 random mons. The Rev team could be prepared for potential answers to pokemon like Togekiss/insert other Rev checks and counters.
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So does yours, since if they pack counters to Togekiss, you probably pack counters to those counters. This cyclic argument just repeats itself until someone gets tired of arguing it. Really, the fact that Togekiss counters Rev is enough.
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Originally Posted by Fat Elevator Music
Arghonaut isn't really an offensive threat. Pyroak won't ever be 1 boost above Rev unless it comes in first (which really isnt the point). You're kinda proving the point in saying Rev can just rest off DM damage like nothing -.-
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Err, I never argued against the point. All I said was that Togekiss is a perfect counter and then I agreed that most offensive threats can't beat him. You seem to be a bit confused here.
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Originally Posted by Fat Elevator Music
Trick is a method of dealing with it, but your argument that ghost pokemon+normal pokemon helps with Rev isn't necessarily true. Just because Revenankh can't touch you doesn't mean you CAN touch it... and if you can't touch it, you can't beat it, and since it's the stat upper it'll win (not to mention you'd have to PP stall it out of Hammer Arm or whatever which is somewhat silly).
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Trick defeats it soundly, though. Also, once its been tricked into something, you can whittle it down with whatever you need to. I'm not even theorymonning here, it actually works really well. It's also not as if you let him get 6 Bulk Ups before attempting the Trick. With only one or two defense boosts, he's still pretty soundly smashed by physical moves to be 3 or 4HKO'd. For instance, if locked into Shadow Sneak with a +2, Collossoil only takes 15-17.7% damage and Crunches/Sucker Punches for 21.4-25.5%. If he gets locked into Rest or Bulk Up, you get free turns to set up as long as he stays in.
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Originally Posted by Fat Elevator Music
I'm not doing any more back-and-forth though.
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Suit yourself, although it's healthy to discuss it as we are.