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havoc · Aug 14th, 2010, 3:48:16 PM

"And without going into specifics, vil's tss lacked Snorlax."

recall that ViL's TSS team was anchored by Celebi. :/

would GSC become an ultimate stalling match with Snorlax banned? I'm uncertain, but I honestly think it could go either way. just as Borat said, Snorlax gives offensive teams a chance against defensive teams, BUT it also gives defensive teams a chance against offensive teams, right? something has to give. the problem with a lot of stall/defensive teams is the fact that they just don't have the offensive capabilities to be able to take out other teams.

would Zapdos and Raikou "run rampant"? I highly doubt it. that's taking speculation a little too far.

"It's one thing if I'm comparing Skarmory to Blissey or something, but in this case, it's two completely different levels. I can say "Zapdos is better than Granbull", and you can throw your "no, because it's comparing apples to oranges" argument at me, but it clearly won't fly. Same concept here. Snorlax is better than Celebi. I don't care about roles in this case. Now, Snorlax vs Lugia/Mew[two] is a different story."

if I'm not mistaken, you told me yourself that Snorlax (not the LK set, the pokemon itself) is "probably" better than Hypnomissy. but you gave me the impression that Hypnomissy should still be banned.

I personally feel that if we're going to make all of these decisions 5 years after GSC basically disappeared, we either need to make all the big decisions at once, or just leave everything as it is. I'm of the opinion that if we're going to allow Snorlax, and Snorlax is "better" than Celebi or Ho-oh--that is, to use Borat's definition that Snorlax is on a level completely higher than Celebi and/or Ho-oh--then we need to allow Celebi and/or Ho-oh too. If Snorlax is better than Hypnomissy, then let Hypnomissy in too; I guarantee things would get more offensive-oriented then, if that's what these people are looking for.

EDIT: posted this without knowledge of the above post, I'll edit accordingly later.

Aug 14th, 2010, 3:48:16 PM	#21
havoc pottlepalooza Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,453 Louisiana	"And without going into specifics, vil's tss lacked Snorlax." recall that ViL's TSS team was anchored by Celebi. :/ would GSC become an ultimate stalling match with Snorlax banned? I'm uncertain, but I honestly think it could go either way. just as Borat said, Snorlax gives offensive teams a chance against defensive teams, BUT it also gives defensive teams a chance against offensive teams, right? something has to give. the problem with a lot of stall/defensive teams is the fact that they just don't have the offensive capabilities to be able to take out other teams. would Zapdos and Raikou "run rampant"? I highly doubt it. that's taking speculation a little too far. "It's one thing if I'm comparing Skarmory to Blissey or something, but in this case, it's two completely different levels. I can say "Zapdos is better than Granbull", and you can throw your "no, because it's comparing apples to oranges" argument at me, but it clearly won't fly. Same concept here. Snorlax is better than Celebi. I don't care about roles in this case. Now, Snorlax vs Lugia/Mew[two] is a different story." if I'm not mistaken, you told me yourself that Snorlax (not the LK set, the pokemon itself) is "probably" better than Hypnomissy. but you gave me the impression that Hypnomissy should still be banned. I personally feel that if we're going to make all of these decisions 5 years after GSC basically disappeared, we either need to make all the big decisions at once, or just leave everything as it is. I'm of the opinion that if we're going to allow Snorlax, and Snorlax is "better" than Celebi or Ho-oh--that is, to use Borat's definition that Snorlax is on a level completely higher than Celebi and/or Ho-oh--then we need to allow Celebi and/or Ho-oh too. If Snorlax is better than Hypnomissy, then let Hypnomissy in too; I guarantee things would get more offensive-oriented then, if that's what these people are looking for. EDIT: posted this without knowledge of the above post, I'll edit accordingly later. __________________ stuff I listen to play some GSC. :)