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Old Sep 7th, 2010, 8:34:14 AM   #13
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Okay, this time I will actually respond with concrete points!!!!

First off, I agree Standard is "shit" right now. But, I think this has the following causes, and I don't think they are easily solved by these changes.
- Good players like to play with other good players. Therefore, they'll go with Expert or Big games.
- Most people don't like to dedicate to more than one game at a time.
- Throw a few good players into a standard game, and they're surrounded by no-names, fuck-ups, and alright players. This makes them likely to get name-targeted (if not killed, then probably inspected, etc). Not just because they're so fabulous and famous, but also because hosts rig good roles on them so often.
- Many good players no longer care about mafia much. I could name like 5-6 people that used to play at every opportunity but are simply MIA now.

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Beginner:
-There seems to be an influx of Beginner game ideas recently, and this would ease that.
-It would allow the multitude of Beginners who have been pushed into Standard play due to lack of Beginner games to play with more people of their own skill.
-It would provide more opportunities for Expert or Standard players to just sign up for a "casual" game.

Conclusion: The level of play and interest in this tier would increase greatly.
I think 2 Beginner rather than 1 Beginner might be a good idea because of how many people apparently still don't know what they're doing in Standard. But, that doesn't mean there should be less Standard games.

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Standard:
-There has been a lag in game quality recently, and many of the current Standard hosts would have an enticing reason to make their game a Beginner game rather than a Standard game: they wouldn't have to wait in line for as long.
I...guess. To be honest the difficulty level of your game should probably be decided before you do anything else. Modifying one type of game to another is bound to get you something in between, and that's bad.

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-It would allow for a more thoroughly check of each game, meaning that many of the bad games of recent memory would either never happen, or be moved to Beginner.
How? Both Beginner and Standard require a balance check by one of the mods. I guess Beginner games are less complicated, but...less standard games at a time doesn't make people make less standard games, unless they modify their difficulty level, which I think is undesirable.

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-It would attract better players to sign up, because many of the true Beginners will be able to play in the Beginner tier again.
I don't think so, for the reasons in my first paragraph. Standard will have less absolute beginners, but there's about a hundred people who played plenty of games to be no longer a "beginner" but are still considered exceptionally poor players (hailflameblast anyone).

then there's a part of your post that i cba reading right now and probably isn't anything to argue about anyway

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"A new user is required to play in at least one Beginner game before joining a Standard game."
This is possible, but only reasonable if Beginner is increased to 2. To make this go as smoothly as possible, people should state which Beginner game they played in in their sign-up post if applicable.

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"In order to qualify for hosting a Standard game, one must first host a Beginner game, except in rare cases. The definition of "rare cases" is up to the discretion of the Moderators."
I kind of like this idea, except the deed is already done on bad standard games, mostly. I think for the most part, this can be remedied by assigning an experienced co host. I would never trust jigglypuffers42 to host well on her own, so I offered to help.
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