Originally Posted by Fat vonFiedler
Spiffy is not an example of this. Just about anyone who played can tell you how reluctant I was to godkill anyone, and Castlevania was in no position where it needed a player godkilled. I told Spiffy on Day 1 that I did not want him goading other players into godkilling themselves (which he did twice) then when he was frozen he said something along the lines of "I might as well just godkill myself". Then he did. I understand Spiffy came crying to alot of influential players about this, and I can't believe any of you believed his story. From the standard players who actually play with him, I hear nothing but stories of his poor sportsmanship.
Stop trying to defend what was clearly a completely idiotic hosting decision (and role tbh). Your argument for godkilling spiffy was that he talked to players not playing the game and used one easily fakeable line from a non-player to "influence" the lynch
. Think about that for like two seconds. Now tell me seriously he deserved to be godkilled. Firstly, why the fuck would my opinion change anything at all in a game I am not playing in and have no clue as to the specifics of the situation? In this vein, there is absolutely no stipulation in your deadtalking rule that players cannot talk to non-players, nor is there any rule about asking non-players for their opinions. Secondly, honestly, godkilling should only be done under circumstances in which it is clearly intended (ie in a "fuck tiger" situation or when a silencer and persuader hit the same person), as if someone breaks a rule subbing that person out is a far better alternative to godkilling them and messing up the balance of the game. If you were really pissed at how spiffy was playing (as in, being a bad sport), sub him out. Plain, simple, and doesn't cause a huge clusterfuck like this did. But trying to maintain this facade of "he still deserved it" just makes it look like you are trying to cover your ass, which you are. People make mistakes all the time when hosting mafia games, no one is going to hold it against you if you overreact to someone being an asshole then apologize for it. People might hold it against you, however, if you continually insist that that person still deserved it, that you had no other choice, and this whole load of bullshit that has been bandied about for why what was clearly a terrible decision was, in actuality, justified. Spiffy didn't "go crying to a bunch of influential players"...it's just that everyone with a brain who is active on this forum can see godkilling spiffy was the wrong decision, and it just so happens that most of the people with brains around here are "influential".
All this being said...ultimately, it is your game. I firmly believe you harmed it through your decisions and may perhaps have set a bad precedent for other hosts, but in the end I don't think anyone can honestly say they have more right to say what is "best" for a game than the hosts, particularly users who did not even participate in the game itself (such as myself). My only real care about this entire incident is that hosts may get godkill-happy in similar situations, a path I would be vehemently opposed to.
As far as the freezer role, I have nothing but disgust for any and all NOC roles unless it is clearly a theme in the game and something the game is built around, which hasn't been done yet (ie only games with NOC themes have been completely NOC without needing kidnappers or silencers or whatever). Also, quite frankly I don't see why everyone hates the village leader system, good village leaders take many player's ideas into account when making decisions, and getting trusted by the village leader and becoming a "back-up" can often be just as if not more important than being the first village leader. If you can't be assed to try and get trusted and think for yourself, we shouldn't discourage those who want to from doing so by impeding the natural process of the game.