Originally Posted by Fat trickroom
When you are using general walls, that team should be a stall team lol. Also, Stall teams give the right support for Lugia. Giratina is so good? I would say it sucks compare to Lugia in terms of walling.
the title of this thread is not what pokemon to use in a stall team, its what pokemon to wall ubers with. i am by no means saying giratina is a force to be reckoned with in ubers that is going to wall entire teams (though i think that it is more of a threat to most teams than lugia). I was using giratina as an example of something that fills the same role as lugia, but brings more utility. Instead of saying things like "you said giratina is sooo good" (which i did say) please give me credible reasons to use lugia over giratina, I have no illusions about giratina, it is limited, but my point in my post was that giratina is not so limited as lugia.
As much as I like Giratina, Lugia is still MUCH better than Giratina if you are looking for a wall. So, what major advantages Giratina has while Lugia doesn't? Spin block? Enjoy Forretress setting up on you.
forry also sets up on lugia, your argument is stupid, at least my entry hazards will still be up when forry starts setting up on me, yours will just be spun away. We both now that if you reply to this your going to say that you can switch out forry to a spin blocker, thats a fine thing to say, but please for the present lets not assume what we are using to support a specific wall and lets let the walls stand alone.
Lugia is weak, I accept that. However, Lugia doesn't need to hit hard, just by phazing the opponent and waiting for them to die from passive damage is all Lugia needs. Ice Beam kills just the right things, Rayquaza, Garchomp and harms Zekrom or Groudon.
again, this is not a thread to discuss team styles, this paragraph only highlights the limitedness of lugia as in when you said lugia was weak.
Jokes. Most people switch to their physical attacker when they see Blissey. Blissey comes in on Palkia for little damage, and the opponent switches to Groudon. Now, Blissey is threatened. If it is Chansey, she can stay in and stall out Groudon. Also Mixed Attackers such as Dialga and Palkia have an easier time breaking Blissey than Chansey. Many special attackers carry physical moves to suprise Blissey but in Chansey's case, that will not be so painful. Chansey can survive 2 Outrages from Garchomp, while Blissey is always killed in 2 hits. Oh, the HP lost is insignificant, when you have 641 HP.
do people even use chomp, anymore, regardless, of whether they do or do not, prediction (that is what i interpret "surprise blissey" to mean) is a failed argument because if you can surprise using prediction, i can predict your surprises to my advantage just as easily.
Steel Arceus stops what? It is a bulky booster like what I said to guanlong. Steel Arceus cannot come in on Groudon, Garchomp, Ho-Oh, Rayquaza. Reshiram, Kyogre, non choiced Palkia, Zekrom, Mewtwo and all SD Arceus variants.
Functionally, steel arceus can come in on dialga, on the popular choiced palkia, on resisted moves from slower pokemon, and on most dragon types. though when it does decide to boost it is a boosting tank, it can also function as a wall when appropriate through the standard procedure of will o wisp +recover. It should not be disqualified just because it is versatile
Steel Arceus actually beats Rock Arceus one-on-one. Also Fighting and Ground Arceus will eventually beat Rock Arceus in a Calm Mind war. Kyogre changes weather and drowns Rock Arceus. About Ho-Oh and Reshiram, that's what make Rock Arceus so unique. Heracross can come in and beat Rock Arceus too.
lol heracross, is this supposed to be a serious discussion