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Hipmonlee · May 7th, 2011, 6:39:58 PM

I want to come back to this point: If Borderline is a playable metagame, then according to smogon, it's name should be UU. Consider this just renaming the tiers. If it were up to me, NU would then involve no Vaporeons, Poliwraths or Golducks, but whatever, that isnt what is particularly important.. I think, really you guys should be getting in behind this idea, since it is basically following RBY2k10s tiering ideas.

But back to the argument about the current state of uu: what I am getting here is the list of things that actually counter Vaporeon includes only Dewgong.

Pokemons usefulness in OU is not relevant to this conversation. So Dugtrio beating Gengar, is not really worth mentioning.

Any uu team will be able to deal with Jolteon just by having a ground type. Switching into Nidoking in UU is pretty dangerous really. I dont think Jolteon will be as used as Electabuzz is now. It may not even be used more than Raichu.

Also for netbattle, and idea for beating Dewgong is to use Hydropump or Blizzard sometimes on Golduck or Poli over Icebeam and Surf. Wouldnt that piss them off..

Charizard is just far better than the other fire types.

Have a nice day.

May 7th, 2011, 6:39:58 PM	#29
Hipmonlee Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,299	I want to come back to this point: If Borderline is a playable metagame, then according to smogon, it's name should be UU. Consider this just renaming the tiers. If it were up to me, NU would then involve no Vaporeons, Poliwraths or Golducks, but whatever, that isnt what is particularly important.. I think, really you guys should be getting in behind this idea, since it is basically following RBY2k10s tiering ideas. But back to the argument about the current state of uu: what I am getting here is the list of things that actually counter Vaporeon includes only Dewgong. Pokemons usefulness in OU is not relevant to this conversation. So Dugtrio beating Gengar, is not really worth mentioning. Any uu team will be able to deal with Jolteon just by having a ground type. Switching into Nidoking in UU is pretty dangerous really. I dont think Jolteon will be as used as Electabuzz is now. It may not even be used more than Raichu. Also for netbattle, and idea for beating Dewgong is to use Hydropump or Blizzard sometimes on Golduck or Poli over Icebeam and Surf. Wouldnt that piss them off.. Charizard is just far better than the other fire types. Have a nice day. Last edited by Hipmonlee; May 7th, 2011 at 10:08:42 PM.