haha endurance...more like addiction/crazyness
updated the list and revamped the listing format a bit...which gets me to Chinese Dood, dude you´ve got way too many >70 super single streaks and that collides with my new listing format :D, maybe I should restrict myself to list only max 3 records or something like that ;)
Psyshock is better than Psychic on Latios (I think)...I won´t get into much detail, but basic logic tells you that if you hit something neutral, you should always use dragon pulse instead of psychic
...psyshock one hits gallade for example plus there´s a lot pokémon that have a >12,5% higher sD than def (90 base psychic is 12,5% stronger than 80 base psyshock), jolteon will sometimes survive a psychic/dpulse but never a psyshock, venusaur is another good one, the most frequent set4 has max sD and may live through psychic (low % I think) but not p-shock...but I don´t use the move that often anyway, it´s pretty situational
in that battle I hoped it would OHKO crap base def virizion when in fact two of its sets have max defense...only set4 survives a psychic attack from specs latios as its stats are 198HP/136def/149sD lol which means psychic has only a slightly better % to OHKO (you need rand. 90-100 in the dmg formula, so it´s a 68,75% chance) than psyshock (you need rand. 92-100 = 56,25% chance) but no OHKO still sucks... hmm now that I think about it, both moves OHKO terrakion and let´s see cobalion
1. bold HP/sD (198/163/124) -> psychic outdamages by a lot, but doesn´t OHKO, I have CC/quake/thrower for this guy anyway
2. brave HP/atk -> survives both
3. & 4. both jolly atk/speed -> psychic actually has a 37,5% chance to OHKO, that´s interesting
thund/torna are even more ridiculous, specs dpulse has a 37,5% chance to OHKO thund 2,3,4 & tornadus 1,4 (if you don´t feel like locking into bolt), which means more room for random numbers to have fun with you (btw. psyshock has a 25% chance to OHKO those)..plus there´s the one point speed difference ._.
...actually I´ve recently started to doubt the moveset of latios (a bit)...I use bolt against gyarados (not a real threat), against zong/meta if needed, sometimes against stupid drifblim (doesn´t always OHKO lol)...it´s quite important against the ocassional esca lead (FO+bolt+bolt/CC)...
maybe I´ll reconsider psychic (not really) or ice beam heh...or use alakazam or something lol
I don´t know, my biggest concern remains froslass, it almost always survives (87,5% chance) a sucker punch or uses hail and I miss or holds sash and worst thing is that it speed ties with latios...those ice teams are ridiculous (sand isn´t as bad because sand workers only use the mono ground chomp1)...roman/valéry can only use 10 pokémon, 1 is auto-hail and 4 are potential snow cloaks, I´m not even talking about brightpowder set4, sash set3 and QC set1 blizzard always snow cloak glaceon, that´s the worst pokémon in the double subway metagame
one of these days, I will learn the legendary movesets and the damage output of my team against them, because judging from my experience in almost 1500 subway battles with it, legendary teams and ice teams are the main threats
EDIT: good post Miscellaneous, you summed it up nicely
EDIT2: funny fact a 156HP/130sD latios will survive a blizzard from abomasnow in doubles (146 dmg bliz + 9 dmg hail), unless abomasnow rolls maximum damage, in which case latios dies to hail damage that turn (150+ 9)
EDIT3: has anyone tried a scarf adaptability porygon-z using swift in doubles?
Last edited by Peterko; Jul 18th, 2011 at 5:09:42 PM.