Ok, I suppose my comments on the electivire analysis should go here. I'll edit this later to include all my comments, but if anyone has comments on a mixed, pure wall breaker set with
@life orb, rash (naive?) 252 atk, 252 sp. atk
(Standard mix moves)
With these evs, Vire can ohko almost every wall in ru, and get the important 2hko on munchlax and he doesn't need the speed because he outruns all the walls anyway.
(I can move calcs here, but they are currently in the electivire analysis thread.)
I'm wondering if people think the ohkos are worthy of the ev spread change, and maybe they can be optimized further.
From my other post
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Not that this alters anything to the actual sets you have listed, but it might be worth a mention that Electivire can ohko almost every relevant wall in the RU metagame. I'm not sure everyone knows that it possesses this potent of an offense.
Example set is @Life Orb, Rash, 252 atk, 252 sp atk, 4... speed I guess (sp atk evs are kind of needed)
taken from the mixed set already listed Cross Chop, Wild Charge, Flamethrower, Icepunch
OHKO standard 252/0 slowking w/ Wild Charge
OHKO standard 252/0 tangrowth w/ flamethower
2HKO 236/196 Impish munchlax w/ cross chop
OHKO 252/252 ferroseed w/ flamethower (80% of the time, but no one runs max sp def.)
also 2HKO with cross chop
I might add more, but pretty obvious to say it can dent almost anything slower than it.
Motor Drive and Vital Spirit are both pretty good. Vital Spirit allows for switching in to tangrowth/amoonguss on the expected sleep move so it actually wields more utility in my opinion.
Seeing as the most popular defensive cores are munchseed and tangking (in RU), this is a very useful 'mon to use. I hardly ever see it, so maybe people just aren't aware...?
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further statements after using the above set... It never failed me against the walls, easily breaking the common walls not named claydol. However, it does take up a team spot and often there are better cores that can break these walls and also do a much better job of sweeping. My offensive core of Primeape, Typhlosion, and Honchkrow can do everything that Electivire did on my team and more so... I suppose that's the reason people don't use him