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Originally Posted by Fat Bruno Magno
While 252 Speed EVs means outspeed on Gliscor, Rayquaza and Electivire and a Speed Tie with Celebi, Manaphy and Mew
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Literally none of those pokes save Rayquaza are relevant. All the aforementioned pokemon are nearly never run in Ubers, whilst if Manaphy was to be run, it nearly always runs a bulky spread. More so, you only need 216 speed EVs to outrun + Nature Max, Speed Rayquaza. The only noteworthy point of running max speed Timid is the speed tie with Palkia, who generally beat you anywho (unless maybe you run Wacan...)
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Originally Posted by Fat Bruno Magno
are assuming these things:
1) Manaphy has already used a Tail Glow
2) Rayquaza is Naive-natured and has not a defensive spread
3) Rayquaza switches on Stealth Rocks
4) The battle is under the rain
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I calc for a Tail Glow because it would be ridiculous to try to set up on Rayquaza, thus the only relevant calc against would be assuming for him switching in. Also, Defensive Rayquaza, are you high? I'm sorry, but I can't take a comment like that seriously, I hardly feel like I have to move on. Maybe if you argued the use of Hasty, but this...Anywho, I assume for SR as it appears to me to be a great contributor to this team, which seems to have a spike-stacking offensive element to it. Also, why assume for rain? I dunno, maybe it's because this is a rain team. Maybe it's because Kyogre is the most popular pokemon in Ubers. Maybe its because nobody in their right mind would try to pull off a Manaphy sweep in the Sun unless the opponent was completely tapped as is or you were totally backed into a corner. I just don't know why I assumed such a silly thing, you tell me why.
More so, stemming off this information, Thunder is a common move throughout the Ubers metagame, used even on Sun teams, as Rain is just that prominent. So the ability to take a Scarfogre's Thunder, which the opponent planned as their failsafe to prevent such a sweep, has now just dissapeared. Or maybe it was a Palkia, or a Dialga, whatever, but at the end of the day Wacan Berry is perfectly viable, more valuable than Lefties or LO even (imo). The naivety of these statements is really somewhat offsetting to me.