Originally Posted by Fat col49
Literally none of those pokes save Rayquaza are relevant. All the aforementioned pokemon are nearly never run in Ubers
Electivire is quite used as Scarf Sweeper with Ice Punch and Thunder, and Gliscor, flinging Toxic Orbs, switching into Earth Powers, using a few Flight-Acrobatics & Ice Fangs and (more or less) walling Scizor and Heatran is sometimes seen
The only noteworthy point of running max speed Timid is the speed tie with Palkia, who generally beat you anywho (unless maybe you run Wacan...)
Speed Tie on Palkia, Celebi, Mew, sometimes Volcarona as Sun Sweeper, isn't that enough?
Anywho, I assume for SR as it appears to me to be a great contributor to this team, which seems to have a spike-stacking offensive element to it
Who has an Uber Team without a spinner and a counter for Ferrothorn and Forretress? I know 25% is a big damage to Rayquaza, but there isn't always
Also, why assume for rain? I dunno, maybe it's because this is a rain team. Maybe it's because Kyogre is the most popular pokemon in Ubers. Maybe its because nobody in their right mind would try to pull off a Manaphy sweep in the Sun unless the opponent was completely tapped as is or you were totally backed into a corner
Maybe because there's a great usage of Groudon, Abomasnow and Tyranitar, maybe because Surf from 299 SpAtk (or even 747) sucks in the sun
More so, stemming off this information, Thunder is a common move throughout the Ubers metagame, used even on Sun teams, as Rain is just that prominent. So the ability to take a Scarfogre's Thunder, which the opponent planned as their failsafe to prevent such a sweep, has now just dissapeared. Or maybe it was a Palkia, or a Dialga, whatever, but at the end of the day Wacan Berry is perfectly viable, more valuable than Lefties or LO even (imo)
Wacan is viable, but halves only 1 Thunder, while Lefties are for a passive recover and Life Orb (the recoil is cleared by Hydratation-Rest) allows OHKOs even on bulky foes
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