Originally Posted by Fat Mishra
And how do you figure that exactly?
I don't disagree that spikes is not the problem, but there is a clear overbearing advantage to getting hazards up vs spinning them away. My team currently is dealing with spikes decently, but then, I have a rapid spinner and 3 levitators...=/
Of course there's an advantage to getting Spikes up versus Spinning them away. In one situation you're acting and in the other you're reacting to the opponent. However, I don't think this advantage is great enough to warrant a ban. When I decide if something is broken I consider two things:
1. This Suspect unbalances the metagame (Y/N)
2. This Suspect is far too powerful to exist in the metagame (Y/N)
I don't think Spikes unbalance the metagame; plenty of offensive and defensive teams do well in UU. I've seen plenty of offense, Sand offense, Sand balance, stall (but not full stall), Baton Pass, and many other playstyles. I believe that bulky offense is probably the best strategy right now, but I don't think that the existence of Spikes makes Offense far too powerful at the moment. They're obviously good, but the abundance of Levitators, Flying-types, and Spinners in UU plus the amount of Pokemon with access to recovery make Spikes fall short of brokenness.
Of course, that doesn't mean I'm sold to a No Ban vote for anything permanently, I'm just saying that from my experience in the current metagame Spikes are not too powerful to exist in UU.
"The Big Three" are feared for their ability to Spike, and I think all three of them have their weaknesses that prevent them from becoming broken in UU. Deoxys-D is weak to Toxic, Toxic Spikes, cannot be both fast and really bulky, and can be set up on. Froslass is frail, has poor attacking prowess, and has trouble blocking Rapid Spin. Roserade, arguably the best of the Spikers, cannot run both Sleep Powder and Spikes, is usually better off running an offensive set, and is still pretty frail.
I think the big 3 are nothing more than really good Pokemon that happen to have access to a nice supporting option. That makes them generally useful Pokemon, but they don't need a ban to BL.