SYMPTOMATIC OF A GREATER ILL
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Counter that Uber Pokémon - MkII
Counter that Uber Pokémon!
Hi guys, this is Poppy, reporting for duty! I'm going to make this short. Since the last thread has become a total mess,Used Pokemon List
I have decided to start freshly, with some more strict rules. Don't worry, however, the game will be as fun as ever!
Here are the new ground rules;
To get this rolling, here's what we're going to start with:
- This time, counter the last Pokémon that has been posted!
- Be creative - DO NOT REPEAT the sets and Pokémon that have been already used!
- Do NOT bandwagon - have some actual words after your counter, justifying why it counters the specific Pokémon.
- Test your counter before posting it, or take a while to theorymon correctly.
- Have fun!
Deoxys-A @ Life Orb
EVs: 12 Atk / 252 SAtk / 244 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Psycho Boost
- Shadow Ball
Have fun, and follow the rules!
To make things easier for all of us, I have went through the entire thread and summed up how many times each Pokemon was used. Sure, it may not contain all the sets, but if you must use a Pokemon that was used many times before, atleast bring an unorthodox set.
Originally Posted by Fat Furai
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
IVs: 2 Spd
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic / Gyro Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]
Bronzong is definitely a big annoyance for any Dragon- Pokemon. This Bronzong only has 2.04% to be 2HKOed by trickroom's Rayquaza's +1 Outrage after Stealth Rock damage, whereas Hidden Power Ice OHKOs instantly with Stealth Rock support. More Defense EVs can be used to take physical hits better, although not adviced, as the Ubers environment consists much more special attacks. Stealth Rock and Toxic are probably the best support moves in Ubers (add Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Rapid Spin); everyone know what Stealth Rock does, and Toxic puts lots of pressure under sweepers, such as Ghost Arceus and Reshiram. Earthquake rounds off the set with great coverage, hitting Steel-types such as Heatran and Dialga which resist Hidden Power Ice. Gyro Ball is a viable option over Toxic, as it utilizes Bronzong's low base Speed to strike hard against the fast Pokemon of the speedy-paced Ubers tier.
Kyogre support is reocommended, as Kyogre's rain cancels Bronzong's only weakness to Fire-; it decreases the damage from a super effective 2x damage to a regular damage (of 1x, obviously). Since Bronzong lacks a reliable recovery, Chansey is also a remarkable partner. She can pass enourmous HP through Wish, and defeat the stronger special attackers such as Palkia, Dialga, and Reshiran (only under rain, though). A spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef with a Relaxed nature can be used to tank physical hits better.
Originally Posted by Fat Poppy
Okay, not Heatran
Excadrill @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Rush
EVs: 252 Atk / 64 SpD / 192 Spe
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Claw
- Swords Dance
In lieu of using Rapid Spin this Excadrill goes on the fully offensive route, achieving almost perfect coverage with both Shadow Claw, Swords Dance, and its obligatory STAB. This set won't take a +1 Outrage THAT well, but it still is very far off from an OHKO (47.37% - 55.68%), whilst an Earthquake from LO Excadrill will deal 67% minimum to a +1 Dialga, meaning that Excadrill can safely Swords Dance and then OHKO Dialga the next turn. Even if Dialga gets two Bulk Ups in a row Excadrill will still get a guaranteed OHKO on it at after a Swords Dance, with no entry hazards.
This set isn't that niche either, with sandstorm support it will run through many teams, if Kyogre attempts to switch in for a revenge kill it will take an enormous 73% minimum, and even max / max Bold Kyogre will take 46 - 54%, a guaranteed 2HKO with one layer of Spikes and Stealth Rock, and a high chance with only Stealth Rock.
Even Giratina-O, whose ability and towering 150/100/100 defensive stats is OHKO'd with no HP or Defence investment (quite common) at +2 by Shadow Claw, without Stealth Rock.
Giratina-A, the pinnacle of Physical walling, that has the potential to even avoid the OHKO from an Adamant CB Zekrom Outrage will take 60-71% from a +2 Earthquake, meaning that with a bit of residual damage or enough hazards, it too will fall.
Lugia, also renowned for its defensive abilities, will take a minimum of 73% from a +2 Rock Slide, so with Stealth Rock it has a very high chance of being OHKO'd, and will faint if Sandstorm is up even if minimum damage is rolled.
Originally Posted by Fat trickroom
Lugia @ Leftovers
EVs: 204 HP / 56 Def / 248 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Dragon Tail
A faster Lugia spread easily outspeeds Lucario, put up a Reflect and Earthquake or phaze it. Reflect softens hits from any physical attacker. Earthquake smashes Lucario to bits. Heatran and Magnezone are also stomped by this Lugia set :) Dragon Tail is an awesome gift for Lugia as it is the ultimate phazer. Dragon + Ground gives good coverage as well.
Despite being weak to Crunch, Lugia is too bulky to fall to unboosted hits. Swords Dance is foiled by a faster Reflect. Speed EVs help to outrun everything up to Jolly Rayquaza, this allows Lugia to take on Swords Dance or Mixed Rayquaza better. Rest are put into Def and HP to maximize bulk. Additional Special bulk isn't needed as Lugia generally has to switch from the two insanely powerful special attackers anyway: Specs Reshiram and Kyogre.
Any Spikes user makes Lugia's phazing attempts much deadlier than usual. Even Lucario itself makes a good Lugia teammate by smashing Dark, Steel Arceus and mono-attacking Darkrai.
Originally Posted by Fat barry4ever
Ok, Also I'd like to say that if you including a random mon such as Jolteon or w/e, INCLUDE A LINE OR TWO ABOUT WHAT ELSE IT DOES. Just because Sub Punch Gengar checks Chansey doesnt make it viable in Ubers. It doesnt have to be excellent in its function but as long as it does something other than just checking the above Pokemon, its fine.
Originally Posted by Fat Poppy
Counter that Ubers Pokemon is about providing sets that not only counter the previous Pokemon posted but also go on to do other things in the metagame, think not about only being able to wound Ferrothorn and Forretress with a Fire move (as I see a lot of you are doing) but utility in being a general defensive and offensive threat, and whether or not you're outclassed. e.g. Groudon pretty much outclasses Regirock from every standpoint, having a better movepool, usable speed, and a better ability.
Last edited by Furai; Mar 27th, 2012 at 11:14:30 AM.