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Garganator · Jan 27th, 2012, 4:58:40 PM

Heatran @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 128 SpD / 128 Spe
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
~ Taunt
~ Toxic / Roar
~ Substitute
~ Flamethrower / Lava Plume

I think this is probably one of the best, if not the best counter to this Giratina set. As long as it won't switch directly on Dragon Tail, it will easily win 1vs1 stalling war against this Giratina set. It's recommended to switch into anything except Dragon Tail and use Substitute after, as smart opponent will try to outsmart you and use Dragon Tail while you try to use Taunt or Toxic. For first thanks to Flash Fire it easily absorbs Giratina Will-O-Wisp, while also boosting the power of his fire attacks. While those attacks won't seriously hurt Giratina anytime soon, it will help to wear Giratina a bit faster allowing to save some PP and time for later. For second it has Taunt - Taunt is perfect anti-stall skill, which automatically stops opponent from using any non-damage skills, in case of this Giratina it pretty much means every single skill except Dragon Tail. In other words as long as you have Substitute, you will always win. The choice between Toxic or Roar depends on one thing - if your team runs Toxic Spikes or not. If you don't run Toxic Spikes - go with Toxic, as it will allow you to pretty much Toxic stall this Giratina to death, while keeping her from healing with Taunt. If you run them - go with Roar, as it's utility with entry hazards on field is incredible. There is always a possibility to go with Roar without Toxic Spikes, hoping for lucky burn from Lava Plume, but it's not recommended to do. Choice between Flamethrower and Lava Plume depends on situation if you want a bit more power or try to abuse this burn chance on switch against certain targets if you think that using it on switch will be more beneficial then Toxic in some certain situations. Those EVs at first may not make any sense taking into account Dragon Tail is physical, but they are enough to make sure Giratina won't break a substitute, while Heatran's typing is way better at taking special hits then physical ones. 128 Speed EVs are enough to outspeed 90 base Speed Pokemon which don't invest in speed at all, which also means the Giratina this set counters.

Jan 27th, 2012, 4:58:40 PM	#7
Garganator Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 540 Koszalin, Poland	Heatran @ Leftovers Trait: Flash Fire EVs: 252 HP / 128 SpD / 128 Spe Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) ~ Taunt ~ Toxic / Roar ~ Substitute ~ Flamethrower / Lava Plume I think this is probably one of the best, if not the best counter to this Giratina set. As long as it won't switch directly on Dragon Tail, it will easily win 1vs1 stalling war against this Giratina set. It's recommended to switch into anything except Dragon Tail and use Substitute after, as smart opponent will try to outsmart you and use Dragon Tail while you try to use Taunt or Toxic. For first thanks to Flash Fire it easily absorbs Giratina Will-O-Wisp, while also boosting the power of his fire attacks. While those attacks won't seriously hurt Giratina anytime soon, it will help to wear Giratina a bit faster allowing to save some PP and time for later. For second it has Taunt - Taunt is perfect anti-stall skill, which automatically stops opponent from using any non-damage skills, in case of this Giratina it pretty much means every single skill except Dragon Tail. In other words as long as you have Substitute, you will always win. The choice between Toxic or Roar depends on one thing - if your team runs Toxic Spikes or not. If you don't run Toxic Spikes - go with Toxic, as it will allow you to pretty much Toxic stall this Giratina to death, while keeping her from healing with Taunt. If you run them - go with Roar, as it's utility with entry hazards on field is incredible. There is always a possibility to go with Roar without Toxic Spikes, hoping for lucky burn from Lava Plume, but it's not recommended to do. Choice between Flamethrower and Lava Plume depends on situation if you want a bit more power or try to abuse this burn chance on switch against certain targets if you think that using it on switch will be more beneficial then Toxic in some certain situations. Those EVs at first may not make any sense taking into account Dragon Tail is physical, but they are enough to make sure Giratina won't break a substitute, while Heatran's typing is way better at taking special hits then physical ones. 128 Speed EVs are enough to outspeed 90 base Speed Pokemon which don't invest in speed at all, which also means the Giratina this set counters. __________________ "Fight Till The End" Garganator vs Krusk (UU Warstory)