Originally Posted by Fat New World Order
huh, I just realized that the counters section I added in were never saved, lol, time to edit OP.
You should also move the 4 EVs out of HP on the SubSeed set so its HP isn't divisible by 4.
I've found that HP Ice works best on the SubSeed set when paired with Chandelure, or it's at least better than HP Fire. Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Forretress can take your attacks if you don't run HP Fire but Chandelure can trap and KO them easily if they don't run Shed Shell. Scizor and Genesect would also be troublesome, but the former is almost never OHKO'd by HP Fire after SR damage and the latter will outspeed you with a Choice Scarf. Both will then use U-turn to break your Sub and go to something that can outspeed you and take your attack.
Dragonite and Salamence are obvious targets of HP Ice, but Latios is another important target for it. Latios will never be 2HKO'd by Leaf Storm after SR damage (although, LO recoil will probably push it over) while +2 HP Ice will always OHKO it after SR and Leaf Storm damage. HP Ice is also useful for other Serperior, as it allows you to at least Speed tie any of them because you can run a Speed IV of 31.
Heatran doesn't care whether you run HP Ice or Fire and Volcarona can be checked by Chandelure. Although, Glare could be very useful in this instance to cripple Volcarona.
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Originally Posted by Fat Squid Ninja