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Originally Posted by Fat Ningildo
And Lucario has no sure fire counters. At all. Still OU.
Why?
It's checked by so many offensive threats it's not even funny. Which strangely sounds exactly like Durant. And you can't say that Lucario's have recovery, because in the same case here, one move change and said "counters" are fucked. Just like Durant!
Having no surefire counters does not equal broken.
Oh, so having the ability to switch in into ONE special attacker is now labeled as the ability to switch into all neutral ones?
I know you didn't say that, but it would be a lie to say you didn't imply it just a bit.
And that's not how Lilli gets played. It gets in once it knows it can Sleep Powder something and then set up a QD. After a QD, a +1 LO HP Rock from Timid Lilli does 236 damage minimum, a sure OHKO after SR. Only the priority bit I can see as completely correct. And CB Durant is much less used than HC for a reason; having to rely on Stone Miss accuracy for 100% accurate moves and 64 for Stone Miss itself is horrible. Don't get me wrong, it works...when the moves actually don't miss, that is.
I still fail to see how it's broken.
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man, this is why i hate posting on suspect discussions. can't we just do this council thing without being forced to post here (speaking to texas)?
first: don't try putting words in my mouth, i know that's not how lilligant is played, i was just using her as an example. when i said lilligant, i could've said roselia, tangrowth (some of them), cm uxie (this one doesn't work 100% of the time) and some other stuff. it's not a big list as i made it look, but it's still better than you imply. also, i didn't speak only about special hits, i also spoke about physical ones, js
comparing durant to lucario is a little bit silly, since the later has better coverage, durant is much faster and durant doesn't fuck all its counters by changing its set or one move. steelix is still a counter to durant no matter what, though it's easy to...
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Originally Posted by Fat Pearl.
rack up enough damage to put them on x-scissor or iron head's ko range.
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since it, along with most of durant's counters...
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Originally Posted by Fat Pearl.
lack recovery
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and yeah, cb durant is unreliable. also, you're making it look like durant is forced to use hone claws to be a legit threat everytime it comes in. how do you plan switching in your said revenge killer (or offensive threat) in if you're facing someone with at least half a brain?
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Originally Posted by Fat Blue_Star
I think Durant is pretty overpowered, but i'm not sure if it deserves a ban. Sure, it does have sky high attack and high speed, but has some flaws (dies to Pichu's Thundershock) that prevent it from being bannable. Pretty much like Honchkrow and Gallade, who have incredibly powerful offensive stats, but were not banned because they have numerous checks / counters.
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23.7% - 28.4%
Modest Pichu with 252 SpA VS Durant using Thundershock. Durant is bulky!
and with that i'm done with posting here