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Thanks for the comments + luvdiscs everybody

Originally Posted by Fat Bribery

Minor suggestion: Lum Berry over Leftovers on Virizion. It'll help switching into Scalds and Toxics that are commonly found on Rain stall.

A lot of people are suggesting Lum Virizion, I'll try it out. I can see it really helping out against everything but sand teams, where it would put Viri into priority KO range pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by Fat Eggbert

If Lati@s are really a problem, try toxic on Heatran. With roar you can handle pretty much any CM Latias. You might have to run SR on Forry or los protect though, not sure if that trade off is worth it. Little redundant with t-spikes but I'd thought to just throw that out there.

Toxic would be really great on Heatran, but it would either involve me either losing Roar (which means I can't even beat refresh or sub cm latias) or putting SR on Forry which would make it a lot less effective imo.

Originally Posted by Fat Blue_Star

...i'm...weak...(abridged)

agreed

People aren't running Jellicent on stall teams atm, makes Forry a stall killer. Worst comes to worst I can always last mon sub dd nite, which I've done multiple times. SD Virizion is also pretty good against stall, and it would be better if I use lum berry.

Originally Posted by Fat Bluewind

Something you could consider is TWave Specially Defensive Rotom-C over Virizion, since he can do a decent job checking Rotom-W (better actually), Tyranitar (worse) and can get some shots on Scizor Volt Switching around. With TWave you should be able to paralyze some things that trouble you like Latis, opposing Virizion (which ironically seems to be your biggest weakness), LO Tornadus and so on. Obviously you'll be weaker to some stuff, but this is just some food for thought. Congrats again and good luck.

Edit: Maybe consider HP Ice on Forry given the huge SubToxic / SD / Acrobat Gliscor weakness, or Chesto Rest on Rotom if you do test him out. Rotom-W could probably do it if you don't like Cut as well, with the bonus of checking Belt Landorus better. HP Ice on Virizion could make you less weak to Gliscor I guess.

Forretress does a pretty good job of beating Sub SD Gliscor from my experience. Sub Toxic has beaten me, but I'd rather use Spikes to punish it than HP Ice.

I like the Rotom-C suggestion, at first I was skeptical of using twave along with toxic spikes but a lot of Rotom-C's switchins aren't grounded. I was about to test it but then I read...

Originally Posted by Fat Philip7086

Just curious as to what your solution to opposing Heatran in the sun is. Seems like a major problem for this team.

Sun Heatran is a problem. First thing I try to do is lure it with Mew, but if that fails, I'll probably sac Jellicent (it is a sun team after all) to put some damage on it, then revenge with Virizion.

Originally Posted by Fat Motagua

You might want to try Psyshock on Mew because it will 2HKO Blissey after a NP and it gets the jump on common CM users like Latias & Reuniclus.

That would make me a lot weaker to BU Conkeldurr who can sponge a Psyshock after a BU.