[Aeromence]

Originally Posted by Fat Karpman

This is a nice team, but I think it's pretty weak to full stall. For one thing, Skarmory lacks Spikes, so you won't be able to constantly wear down a Stall team's walls with Spikes and CB Terrakion, although most solid stall teams have a few ways of withstanding Terrakion's strong attacks [such as a Gliscor, a Ghost or Tentacruel in rain]. Tentacruel doesn't have fantastic longevity, either, considering Hail nullifies its Leftovers Recovery, so a stall team could constantly lure it in and wear it down with hazards and weak hits. Tentacruel is definitely a good option for the team, however, but I'd change its spread to 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 Speed, just so that it outspeeds Defensive Gliscor and Jirachi, which sit at 246 Speed. Outspeeding the latter can prove quite useful if you need to get a Scald off, since burning Jirachi makes it a lot less of a problem. Kyurem and Froslass will prove pretty underwhelming against most stall teams too, considering the former loses to Blissey and Jirachi, one of which is usually on most stall teams and the latter loses to Heatran/Jirachi and has a pretty large dependence on luck. I agree with the others on the basis that Skarmory should give up Brave Bird for Spikes, since it allows Terrakion to act as a much better stallbreaker. Anyways, on the basis of Terrakion, I can see Choice Band Terrakion being an even bigger problem than in the past, since you have nothing to revenge it with and it can pretty much take out your team by spamming Close Combat since Tentacruel can come in only a limited amount of times and Stone Edge is able to 2hko Skarmory if Stealth Rock is up. I think you could potentially replace Froslass with Dugtrio. It seems a bit unorthodox, but Dugtrio holds the benefit of trapping and revenge killing a lot of threats to this team, such as MixTar, Terrakion, Heatran and Jirachi. Trapping the first two obviously guarantees your team safety, establishing Hail as the dominant weather and eliminating one of the major threats to this team. Trapping the other 2 allows you to Blizzspam without any interference/take out 2 major hail threats overall. You can also keep Drill Peck on Skarmory and swap out Brave Bird for Spikes if you use Dugtrio.

Dugtrio (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Arena Trap
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock / Stone Edge
- Sucker Punch
- Reversal

Then i'd lose my spinblocker and the funnest element to my team. You also fail to realise that with enough luck, froslass can beat stall by disabling their recovery move and hail + Shadow Ball / Ice beam will beat them. also, how am i weak to mixtar and heatran? i have changed spikes on skarmory though.

Originally Posted by Fat San_Pellegrino

If you do choose to run Dugtrio, be wary that you lose a very important Fighting-type immunity. In my opinion, Jellicent + Donphan might be a better combination than Tenta + Frolass. What this allows you to do is not only mitigate the role of defense, but also allow you to play a more balanced game against stall and offense, burning offensive sweepers and still be able to recover off damage and spin (since donphan is more threatening to offensive teams by far. Stall is then dealt with because you not only have a spinblocker with recovery now, but also because Skarmory can now afford to run Spikes.

This is really just a minor consideration, the obvious drawbacks are that Toxic Spikes aren't going to absorbed immedaitely, which are really critical in playing a hail team to have them off the field. I might also suggest running a defensive Golurk over Froslass and changing nothing else in order to check Terrakion better. Just a few thoughts.

honestly, i think i have terrakion checked fine, because the only real threat is the band version. Froslass takes a cc, and skarmory isn't 2hkod by stone edge, and i can scout with aboma. Kyurem behind a sub can also beat it 70% of the time. Tenta also does well against it, but thats another reason to run giga drain.

thanks for the rates