Originally Posted by Fat shrang
You're 6-0ed by CM Fighting Arceus, just saying. Sure, Giratina can take a hit and phaze it out with Roar, maybe burn it, but that is all you're doing to it. It can easily switch into Tyranitar or Ferrothorn, set up a Calm Mind and then just destroy you. You have absolutely nothing to take it on, lol. You're also lacking a decent SpecsOgre switch-in, although I guess with Sand up, Giratina and Ferrothorn can switch in enough times to weaken Water Spout to the point where it can't hurt you any more. Although it would make you a bit weaker to Excadrill, I'd suggest changing Gliscor to Lugia, since Fighting Arceus will have trouble breaking through it, and you can just use Toxic on it to prevent it doing anything.
Lugia @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpD
- Substitute / Reflect
- Dragon Tail
Arceus-Fight is a minimal threat. With some hazards and sand up, it will be forced to recover almost every time it switches in due to its lack of leftovers. It does not get unlimited setup opportunities, either: it can't always set up on Ferrothorn or Tyranitar if I leech seed or attack. With hazards, sand, and damage from Ferro or TTar, it won't have much time to setup Calm Minds. If Gliscor is under a sub, I can toxic and cripple it (since Arceus-Fight carries Ice Beam, it's a fairly common switch in on Gliscor and may have to switch in late game to break the sub). If it does switch in vs Ferrothorn or Tyranitar near full health, I'd just go into Giratina (sp defensive) which takes a whopping 25-30% from +0 Ice Beam. I can easily burn it if I'd like or leave it vulnerable to a toxic later on, and then phase it. If Arceus-Fight Calm Minds on my switch to Giratina, using Ice Beam will be at the expense of not getting recovery and being at even lower health when it switches in later. Once it is in the 50% range, Excadrill KOs. It's not hard to wear down. If Arceus-Fight is bulky, Giratina laughs at it and it's an even smaller threat. Adding Lugia would make me very Groudon weak, since it could set up SR for free. Lastly, keep in mind that Arceus-Fight only has 8 Ice Beams to use due to pressure, which is easy to stall out.
In terms of Specs Ogre, once again, Giratina walls it pretty hard. It takes around 60% from Ice Beam which is bad, but it takes 45% from Specs Water Spout in rain. This means I can pressure rest stall 4 Water Spouts easily. If Kyogre Ice Beams, I go into Tyranitar and Pursuit trap it, taking very little damage from Ice Beam. Sp. Def Giratina is one of the best switch ins for Specs Ogre in the game.
If I predict poorly, obviously both of these could be a problem, but that's true for nearly any poke.
Thanks for the rate!