Originally Posted by Fat -Manaphy--
Also I want to mention SubHone Claws Zekrom because it beats the standard Ogre/Ferro quite easily.
This is not true. Not true at all. While Zekrom is setting up Hone Claws and a Sub, Ferrothorn is getting 3 layers of Spikes up, switching to a mon to break sub while you kill it, then forcing you out with ScarfOgre. You lost; you did not not win.