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Jimbon · May 13th, 2012, 8:23:45 PM

Hi Tangelo!

This is a very interesting unconventional team, I really like the use of SubPunching Abomasnow and how it deals with so many common threats. One thing I have noticed is the weakness to Genesect, and its powerful U-Turns. It can consistently come in on any of your Pokemon and U-Turn out hitting 4/6 of your team members for Super Effective damage. If its U-Turn does not kill a member of your team, your opponent can simply switch out to Chandelure who is commonly run with Genesect and get rid of the two left standing - Chandelure and Gliscor. Since your own Chandelure is not Scarfed it cannot outspeed and will get OHKO'd by Shadow Ball. To patch up all of the aforementioned weaknesses, I recommend a Specially Defensive Heatran.

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Heatran patches up a lot of weaknesses for your team. Not only does it give you a much easier time against Genesect / Chandelure, it helps with your Volcarona problem you mentioned earlier. It also provides more of a defensive backbone to your team considering you are running a much more offensive variant of Gliscor and Abomasnow. Roar helps you remove boosting Volcarona while Stealth Rock turns some of Abomasnows 2HKOs into OHKOs.

Heatran of course is all down to personal preference, Chandelure can still deal with your problems. Your Chandelure current set is interesting but very situational. I do agree that Sand is the biggest threat to Sun, but I do think you could get a whole lot more out of Chandelure while still beating Tyranitar in the form of Weavile and Gliscor. I would recommend changing your current Chandelure set to a Choice Scarf variant.

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This is the best Chandelure set in the current Metagame. It allows you to quickly trap and remove the defensive threats that your team may have trouble with. The Choice Scarf allows you to outspeed a lot of big threats to your team. Under Sun, Excadrill, Landorus, Gliscor, Terrakion, Serperior, Keldeo and Gengar are all outsped thanks to the Choice Scarf. It also alleviates a lot of pressure for Serperior to be your revenge killer. With such a high base speed, it doesn't need a Choice Scarf to outspeed a whole lot, while still having the ability to switch up moves to hit Dragons / Steels hard that aren't hit hard by Leaf Storm. I mentioned Hidden Power [Fighting] here because you made it clear you wanted Chandelure to beat Tyranitar, and with some basic prediction you can maul Tyranitar on the switch.

I recommend changing your current Serperior set to a Sub Glare set.

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This set is a lot of fun to use, having tried it myself I had a lot of success with it. Set up a sub on something that doesn't want to take a Leaf Storm. Then as they switch into something to take said Leaf Storm, Leaf Storm again, then Hidden Power [Fire] / Hidden Power [Ice] depending on what you need to hit. Obviously there is limited coverage depending on the Hidden Power you use, which is where the ability to switch up moves and use Glare is very effective. Slowing a Pokemon such as Genesect down for something else to come in on it (Chandelure!) gives your team an easier time against offense teams. It seems like you have to rely on Starmie a lot to deal with offensive teams, when even with the HP investment cannot reliably deal with it due to subpar defensive stats.

tl;dr
• Specially Defensive Heatran > Chandelure
• If you are still deciding to use Chandelure over Heatran, then Scarf Chandelure > Colbur Berry
• SubGlare Serperior > Choice Scarf Serperior

Good luck with the team, hope I helped!

May 13th, 2012, 8:23:45 PM	#8
Jimbon already over Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 488	Hi Tangelo! This is a very interesting unconventional team, I really like the use of SubPunching Abomasnow and how it deals with so many common threats. One thing I have noticed is the weakness to Genesect, and its powerful U-Turns. It can consistently come in on any of your Pokemon and U-Turn out hitting 4/6 of your team members for Super Effective damage. If its U-Turn does not kill a member of your team, your opponent can simply switch out to Chandelure who is commonly run with Genesect and get rid of the two left standing - Chandelure and Gliscor. Since your own Chandelure is not Scarfed it cannot outspeed and will get OHKO'd by Shadow Ball. To patch up all of the aforementioned weaknesses, I recommend a Specially Defensive Heatran. ... Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon Trait: Flash Fire EVs: 248 HP / 100 SDef / 160 Spd Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Lava Plume - Protect - Toxic - Roar / Stealth Rock Heatran patches up a lot of weaknesses for your team. Not only does it give you a much easier time against Genesect / Chandelure, it helps with your Volcarona problem you mentioned earlier. It also provides more of a defensive backbone to your team considering you are running a much more offensive variant of Gliscor and Abomasnow. Roar helps you remove boosting Volcarona while Stealth Rock turns some of Abomasnows 2HKOs into OHKOs. Heatran of course is all down to personal preference, Chandelure can still deal with your problems. Your Chandelure current set is interesting but very situational. I do agree that Sand is the biggest threat to Sun, but I do think you could get a whole lot more out of Chandelure while still beating Tyranitar in the form of Weavile and Gliscor. I would recommend changing your current Chandelure set to a Choice Scarf variant. ... Chandelure (M) @ Choice Scarf Trait: Shadow Tag EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Shadow Ball - Fire Blast - Hidden Power [Ice] / Hidden Power [Fighting] - Energy Ball This is the best Chandelure set in the current Metagame. It allows you to quickly trap and remove the defensive threats that your team may have trouble with. The Choice Scarf allows you to outspeed a lot of big threats to your team. Under Sun, Excadrill, Landorus, Gliscor, Terrakion, Serperior, Keldeo and Gengar are all outsped thanks to the Choice Scarf. It also alleviates a lot of pressure for Serperior to be your revenge killer. With such a high base speed, it doesn't need a Choice Scarf to outspeed a whole lot, while still having the ability to switch up moves to hit Dragons / Steels hard that aren't hit hard by Leaf Storm. I mentioned Hidden Power [Fighting] here because you made it clear you wanted Chandelure to beat Tyranitar, and with some basic prediction you can maul Tyranitar on the switch. I recommend changing your current Serperior set to a Sub Glare set. ... Serperior @ Leftovers Trait: Contrary EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Leaf Storm - Hidden Power [Fire] / Hidden Power [Ice] - Substitute - Glare This set is a lot of fun to use, having tried it myself I had a lot of success with it. Set up a sub on something that doesn't want to take a Leaf Storm. Then as they switch into something to take said Leaf Storm, Leaf Storm again, then Hidden Power [Fire] / Hidden Power [Ice] depending on what you need to hit. Obviously there is limited coverage depending on the Hidden Power you use, which is where the ability to switch up moves and use Glare is very effective. Slowing a Pokemon such as Genesect down for something else to come in on it (Chandelure!) gives your team an easier time against offense teams. It seems like you have to rely on Starmie a lot to deal with offensive teams, when even with the HP investment cannot reliably deal with it due to subpar defensive stats. tl;dr • Specially Defensive Heatran > Chandelure • If you are still deciding to use Chandelure over Heatran, then Scarf Chandelure > Colbur Berry • SubGlare Serperior > Choice Scarf Serperior Good luck with the team, hope I helped!