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Old May 15th, 2012, 7:53:18 AM   #66
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Furai, your rates are really good as mostwanted said, but there's one thing that bothered me. For several suggestions, I asked myself "why?". For example, in the latest rate you linked:

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Now using too Choice users in Palkia and Kyogre seems redundant to me, especially because Kyogre can fulfill Palkia's role very well, while Palkia can trade the Choice Scarf to a Lustrous Orb set.

Palkia


Palkia is now a very dominant sweeper. By using Lustrous Orb Palkia bluffs a Choice Scarf set, allowing it to lure in and eliminate Pokemon such as Rayquaza, Ferrothorn, and Skarmory. The coverage this set has makes it almost impossible to defeat, as the opponent will have to rely on prediction. With Spikes and Stealth Rock support this set becomes a true monster, as it also forces a ton of switches. The choice between Surf and Hydro Pump is up to you; Accuracy vs Power.

Kyogre


The EVs allow Kyogre to outspeed max Speed Modest Deoxys-A, and all Shaymin, Darkrai, and Mewtwo that do not hold Choice Scarf. Again, with Spikes and Stealth Rock support, Kyogre can be free to spam Water Spout, as none will enjoy taking that. Once again, the choice between Surf and Hydro Pump is up to you.
I don't really see why a Choice Scarf and a Choice Specs user are redundant. Specs Kyogre and Scarf Palkia both do something completely different: Kyogre is incredibly powerful and rips holes in teams while Palkia is a catch-all revenge killer. Also for the note, doing what you just mentioned here kinda opens the team up to a couple of threats; such as Dragon Dance Rayquaza with Overheat or Fire Blast, Naive Deoxys-A, and Flame Charge Reshiram.
Changes like this aren't really necessary, and the same goes for Dialga > Mewtwo, as well as Palkia > Grass Arceus in an earlier rate you linked:

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Grass Arceus does not work well in sun. The sun just makes its weakness to Fire worse by boosting these moves. However by removing it you become much weaker to Kyogre, so I recommend Lustrous Orb Palkia instead.

Palkia


The choice between Surf and Hydro Pump is up to you, but be careful, as both will not do much in sun. In rain however, they hit extremely hard, thanks to the additional boost from rain added to the Lustrous Orb and STAB boosts. Earth Power is also an option there to hit Heatran which can be very annoying.
Grass Arceus does not work well in sun because of an increased Fire weakness? That isn't really the case. And after replacing Grass Arceus because it doesn't function well in sun, you suggest a Pokemon which has two moves that are both pretty useless in sun.

I think changes like these should be after the other changes, and mentioned as 'preference changes. For example, you start out the rate with what you said about Support Groudon > CB Groudon and Toxic on Forretress, and then you say something like "This is more of a preference change, but I think Palkia is a better option than Grass Arceus because..."

In any case your rates are really good considering you just started rating, I hope you keep rating :)
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