So that means Volcarona 'counters' Ninetales in 32% of all cases (50% run Fthrower and of these 18% run Roar = 32%; and i didnt even include Ninetales with HP[Rock]). So nowadays we label something as a counter if it works in 1/3 of all cases? I dont think so.
Volcarona is not a reliable answer for Ninetales because it loses ~66% of the time so we cant label it as a counter or a check.
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Originally Posted by Fat alexwolf
Anyway i don't really know why are we even doing this conversation, since i think that everyone knows that Volcarona is a check/counter to Ninetales.
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Maybe just maybe your opinion differs from the one i (and possibly others) have? I think switching Volcarona into Ninetales is a pretty suboptimal action because it carries more risks than rewards. Surely you can get away with it in specific circumstances but we cant assume these in an theorethical analysis. Just as you can get away with Dragonite setting up in the face of a Mon with an supereffective attack. I think you can agree that Dragonite isnt a counter to for example Tyranitar? Because under the conditions you just set we could label Dragonite as a counter as long as Multiscale is intact and TTar doesnt have Roar or Stone Edge or even if it has Stone Edge if it doesnt carry Choice Band, Life Orb or Expert Belt.....
In the same vein Volcarona 'counters' Ninetales if it doesnt have Fireblast, Roar, HP[Rock] (or Toxic) or carries one of the items Life Orb, Expert Belt, Wise Glasses, Charcoal. This makes the analysis kinda lenghty and complicated - something we should avoid if possible.
Did i get the point across?