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Old Jun 2nd, 2012, 10:14:34 AM   #10
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Default Arceus Overviews in One Long Post

Thank you Fatecrashers and Focus for your support.

I would like to take over user Chou Toshio's Arceus-Poison overview as:

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Originally Posted by Fat Chou Toshio View Post
^how's that? of course, if someone who plays ubers regulary can do better, go for it.
I feel that this overview can still be significantly improved both competitively and in flavor. A full revamp might be required.

On that note, I would like to reserve all remaining Arceus overviews except Arceus-Bug if possible. I have already finished the overviews of Arceus-Dragon, Arceus-Ghost, and Arceus-Poison. These will be edited into this post later today. Arceus-Ground will also be edited in. These Arceus overviews will follow in a new post soon: Arceus-Rock, Arceus-Steel, and Arceus-Fighting.

Overviews are as follows:


Arceus-Dragon
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Comments:
I took some flavor inspiration from the D/P overview.
Quote:
- No mention of Calm Mind.
- Salamence and Rayquaza will hit harder than Dragon Arceus initially so you mention the bulk is that important, such as when tanking Lugia's Ice Beam.
- Mention how Dragon Arceus can hit even harder than either Dialga or Palkia after one Calm Mind on the special side.
- The Calm Mind set is now mentioned in the overview.

- Why should Rayquaza or Salamence be mentioned in the overview over the other Dragon-types unless they are specifically important? Although they have Dragon Dance (and Swords Dance for Rayquaza), I don't feel this is enough to warrant a specific mention in the overview. Also, most of the commonly used Dragon-types in Ubers already have a higher base attack than Arceus-Dragon. I have just mentioned this along with the advantages of His initial speed and bulk. Going on this note, why should Lugia’s Ice Beam be mentioned of all things? Isn’t mentioning Arceus-Dragon's superior bulk enough?

- Do you really need to know that a +1 SpA Arceus-Dragon hits harder than an unboosted Palkia or Diagla barring Choice Specs? It’s very obvious already. Remember that this is an overview.

- EDIT: Lugia's Ice Beam is now mentioned along with the overview being more explicit about Swords Dance and Calm Mind


Arceus-Ghost
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Comments:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Furai View Post
- More emphasis on the Calm Mind set.
- A sentence about the Swords Dance set.
- The Calm Mind set is now mentioned in the overview

- The Swords Dance set is now mentioned in the overview


- I got rid of the useless and repetitive information in the original overview to make it more concise. Statements such as “solid base 120 stats across the board” are unneeded as they are obvious information.

- In my opinion, the flavor of the original Arceus-Ghost overview wasn’t that good. It was “heavy” at the first sentence but afterwards there was virtually none. Though the last sentence had flavor, it was quite cliché and long. It also wasn't that good. To remedy this, I changed the first sentence and added a flavorful last sentence which should be both less cliché and long. Better flavor was also added in between.

- Instead of just adding the Swords Dance and Calm Mind sets, I added the Lead and Support sets. This is to reinforce the fact that Arceus-Ghost is very versatile.

- The unresisted coverage part was taken out as according to the analysis, the Lead and Support sets don't have perfect neutral coverage. Also, all the Arceus formes could theoretically have unresisted coverage if they choose to.

- For the offensive sets, I mentioned the Great Walls Lugia and Giratina as they are seen in many Stall teams. It is quite significant that Arceus-Ghost can break through both of them as they can be a problem for offensive teams (Though Swords Dance Arceus-Ghost can have trouble with Reflect Lugia).

- Perhaps STAB Ghost-type attacks could be mentioned in more detail.

EDIT: Maybe making it more clear that the Calm Mind set does better against Lugia and Giratina than the Swords Dance set could be implemented.


Arceus-Ground
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Comments:
I took some flavor inspiration from the D/P Arceus-Rock and Arceus-Ground overview.
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Originally Posted by Fat trickroom View Post
Groudon is only the epitome of physical walling. Also the sun Groudon brings make it more useful as a supporter. Ground Arceus is more useful in Swords Dancing with much higher Speed and Special Defense.
- Everything specified is mentioned. Swords Dance is mentioned but not in regards to Groudon.


- I had to shorten the original overview considerably as there was useless information (See Arceus-Ghost for examples) and I made it more concise. The original also had no flavor whatsoever so I fixed that.

- I neglected to mention that Ground is good neutral STAB along with Him having the 100 BP Earthquake and Judgment. I think everyone already knows that Ground is a good neutral STAB (though the multitude of Flying-types in Ubers is a con). Also, the fact Judgment and Earthquake are 100 BP is just too obvious. If you really think I should mention one of the two points, please inform me.

- I might have written too many "ground" puns. I should be "grounded." Please tell me if you think there is too much flavor!


Arceus-Poison
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Comments:
Credits go to the original B/W overview for flavor and user Chou Toshio for the competitive base.

- I made Chou’s overview more concise as before it was an uninteresting wall of text. It has been shortened considerably while retaining all of the correct competitive content.

- Chou’s overview has virtually no flavor so it was added to the first/last sentences along with a bit in between.

- Just a nitpick, Arceus-Poison doesn’t really set up with impunity against Chansey or Blissey if they have Thunder Wave. However, Thunder Wave is listed as an Other Option. I could change the sentence if Quality Control feels that this statement is significant enough to warrant a change.

- Even when Arceus-Poison sets up, it is not that significant of an offensive threat.

- Should the Toxic Plate be mentioned in the overview? It could be placed in the first sentence like so: The Creator oozes with the scum and filth He has deemed you to be with His Toxic Plate.

Comment Addressed by Furai - Implemented

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Feel free to comment on these overviews. If more (or less) competitive information or flavor is required, don't hesitate to give your opinion.
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Last edited by Superimp; Jun 16th, 2012 at 5:53:51 PM. Reason: Arceus-Dragon Slight Update...
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