Originally Posted by Fat Furai
I am editting your overviews in now, Superimp. I appreciate your willingness to help, but I'm afraid I cannot allow you to reserve all of the Arceus forms. This is a community project, not a one-man task. Doing them one-by-one is okay by me though.
That's alright. I was just wondering if there was a remote chance for this possibility. Anyways, I would like to reserve Arceus-Fighting, Arceus-Rock, and Arceus-Steel.
Also, I have permission from CottonPuff to take over Arceus-Fire. I have already finished it.
All these overviews will be be edited into my next post
later today due to the current length of this post
In regards to user Trickroom
Originally Posted by Fat trickroom
Lugia is a common check to both Salamence or Rayquaza or pretty much most physical Dragon sweepers. Ice Beam OHKOes both of them after SR. Why Salamence or Rayquaza? They both tend to attack physically and can boost up pretty quickly. They use similar moves with SD Dragon Arceus as well. Zekrom cannot boost as efficiently and has STAB Bolt Strike to be different.
People need to know Arceus has Calm Mind. None of the other Dragons, Reshiram, Palkia or Dialga has it. Although it starts of weak, it can hit even harder than them at +1 because of Draco Plate and Judgment. Dialga only has Dragon Pulse for reliability and Spacial Rend can miss at the worst times.
I see the merit of adding Lugia, but what confuses me is the fact that how Lugia KOs Salamence and Rayquaza with Ice Beam after Stealth Rock has anything to do with the overview. This is an Arceus-Dragon overview. As I stated before, isn't the mention of His bulk enough? Nevertheless, I will add a Lugia mention regarding Ice Beam on Arceus-Dragon as you have a valid point.
For Salamence and Rayquaza having boosting moves, I have already mentioned why you would use Him over them because He has greater initial speed and bulk over most Dragon-types (obviously not Giratina in terms of bulk). Also, I already mentioned Salamence/Rayquaza have boosting moves in my comments!
Calm Mind was already mentioned in the overview so people would know He has it unless the Calm Mind set is too implicit. However, I could make it more explicit that other Dragon-types (Except the Lati Twins and Giratina) do not have Calm Mind. For Palkia/Diagla, my point was it's obvious that after a Calm Mind, Arceus-Dragon would hit harder than an unboosted Palkia/Diagla barring Choice Specs.
After this post, if you still think it's necessary to mention Palkia/Diagla and/or Salamence/Rayquaza, please tell me and I will edit the Arceus-Dragon overview accordingly.
Originally Posted by Fat trickroom
Actually Giratina can easily survive a +2 Shadow Claw and burn Arceus-Ghost. One-on-one, SD Ghost Arceus will have a tough time taking out Giratina or Lugia. +0 Shadow Force can't come close to KOing them either, assuming the walls are at full health. Calm Mind Arceus-Ghost will do much better against these physical walls.
I was assuming the Swords Dance set was running Shadow Force and that He was at +2 attack. :/ But yeah I could mention how the Swords Dance set has a harder time than the Calm Mind set.
I think I implied that the Calm Mind set does better, but again, if you think I should make it more clear, just tell me.
Note: Please take the time to read my comments on each overview as they address any competitive concerns regarding the first post. Thanks.