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-Manaphy-- · Jun 26th, 2012, 2:35:00 PM

You can run a little Special Attack too, I've found that 144 HP / 112 SAtk works well (Not sure where I got those Ev's though..) You can still tank Kyogre with it just fine.

I've also seen Psyshock run over Sub/Refresh, but I really like being able to block status. I think the Sub / Refresh decision boils down to what you want to beat; Sub handles Ferrothorn well and you can block revenge kills, but Refresh lets you beat any Chansey one-on-one, and it's also nice because some Kyogre, Groudon etc run Thunder Wave.

Jun 26th, 2012, 2:35:00 PM	#5
-Manaphy-- Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 337 New York	You can run a little Special Attack too, I've found that 144 HP / 112 SAtk works well (Not sure where I got those Ev's though..) You can still tank Kyogre with it just fine. I've also seen Psyshock run over Sub/Refresh, but I really like being able to block status. I think the Sub / Refresh decision boils down to what you want to beat; Sub handles Ferrothorn well and you can block revenge kills, but Refresh lets you beat any Chansey one-on-one, and it's also nice because some Kyogre, Groudon etc run Thunder Wave. __________________ <Scofield> I never got a chance to tell you about the time i met a girl named shucca <@JabbaTheGriffin> i would have started making ground move puns, and then when she doesn't get them you go "oh that wasn't as effective as i thought it'd be"