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Old Jun 27th, 2012, 11:55:56 AM   #13
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You guys dump the rest of EVs into HP, but since Latias wasn't meant to be taking physical hits from the powerful Ubers (well, maybe she can do this a tiny bit), so what about dumping those EVs into Special Defense?
With Soul Dew 1.5x boost she will be more bulkness against special attackers rather than she had dumped all of it into HP. She could then even switch into SpecsOgre Ice Beam easier.[/QUOTE]

Actually.... even if she invests all her Hp and Special Defense into those stats she will still cleanly get 2HKOed after Stealth Rock. That and investing in HP allows her to more easily survive Pursuits if she can predict them.

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I do not see any reason to run more than 192 speed with a Timid nature on Latias. Getting the jump on Garchomp was all you needed in Gen IV and I don't see that changing. I see no reason in running max speed just to beat Terrakion and the like when you should have better things to take that on. Nearly 72% of Terrakion are running Choice Scarf compared to the 10% running Choice Band.
Other random important stuff released in that tier, Keldeo, Espeon, Jumpluff (without sun), Gengar, and Lugia. Ok some of the stuff isn't that common, but I also don't think that the EVs placed in Special Attack or Special Defense might be making that big of a difference. Max Speed still might be the best way but again we don't know so you may be right :P. I'm also agreeing with Furai's post so this comment / post is a bit biased :(, sorry.

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Latias actually doesn't need that much bulk at all. Soul Dew puts your Special Defense at 444 uninvested, which is equivalent to a fully EVed, +ve nature base 152 SpD (basically Ho-oh's Special Defense, fully invested). I think firecape's spread in Burn All (yes, this is a LONG time ago) probably works the best: 52 HP / 204 SpA / 252 Spe Timid. With 204 SpA, you guarantee the OHKO on Palkia with Dragon Pulse regardless of Stealth Rock, and with your Special Defense, you can even tank a Scarf Draco Meteor to the face and not give a shit.
Thats an interesting EV Spread and set, but I think it differentiates from the one on the OP a lot. It doesn't focus on luring in counters and eliminating them rather having Latias focus on what she does best. Henceforth, I'm placing this one in the OP while leaving Manaphy's up there too. Also whenever I see the above set, I picture Latias running a more defensive role in comparison to a offensive one but as you said...

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It is her ability to go offensive while being ridiculously bulky that makes Latias so good.
So basically its role is to be an offensive pivot around Specs Ogre that hits harder then Scarfkia? If that is the case the EV spread is perfect, but again I wanted to to be like Grassceus and Gastrodon lol :P. Also lol at how Specs Ogre is a perfect partner for this since Latias practically guarantees the removal of Palkia and Latias (this one if Latias began setting up earlier)since Psyshock makes it able to beat opposing Latias.
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