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**Pocket** · Jul 8th, 2012, 11:45:21 PM

Amoonguss definitely deserves a revamp. The original analysis is really outdated and skimpy, since nobody really ever considered using Amoonguss in OU. Regeneration, Keldeo, and SD Breloom change that. I am pretty sure we need to optimize the spread to better check these threats, too. The entire analysis needs a big update.

Celebi may need to be revamped for a bigger emphasis in checking Thundurus-T, Keldeo, and Breloom

SubCM Cresselia screams OO to me. Easy TTar / Scizor bait

~~It's notable that Froslass has Pain Split now.~~

I also agree that Heracross deserves a revamp, since Moxie + Salac / Scarf can really enhance Heracross's prowess.

Sunny Day Ninetales > Special Attacker. Special Attacker can be removed imo, since it's pretty much a more offensive variant of the specially defensive variant, and LO is not a good item on Ninetales anyways. Sunny Day and Nasty Plot are also much better option for an offensive Ninetales, imo.

I believe Stoutland's access to Superpower is a HUGE buff enough for an entire revamp. Stoutland has been gaining popularity right at the end of BW1, and it probably deserves another serious look

Uxie is like outclassed by Deoxys-D (no Taunt sux), not OU material

tl;dr - I agree with pretty much most of your conclusions, except
1) Revamp for Amoonguss
2) Revamp for Celebi
3) Maybe -> Definite Revamp for Heracross
4) Stoutland IS OU-worthy and revamp-worthy
5) ditch Uxie plz

Jul 8th, 2012, 11:45:21 PM	#3
Pocket Bakuman ;< Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,181 Bergenfield	Amoonguss definitely deserves a revamp. The original analysis is really outdated and skimpy, since nobody really ever considered using Amoonguss in OU. Regeneration, Keldeo, and SD Breloom change that. I am pretty sure we need to optimize the spread to better check these threats, too. The entire analysis needs a big update. Celebi may need to be revamped for a bigger emphasis in checking Thundurus-T, Keldeo, and Breloom SubCM Cresselia screams OO to me. Easy TTar / Scizor bait ~~It's notable that Froslass has Pain Split now.~~ I also agree that Heracross deserves a revamp, since Moxie + Salac / Scarf can really enhance Heracross's prowess. Sunny Day Ninetales > Special Attacker. Special Attacker can be removed imo, since it's pretty much a more offensive variant of the specially defensive variant, and LO is not a good item on Ninetales anyways. Sunny Day and Nasty Plot are also much better option for an offensive Ninetales, imo. I believe Stoutland's access to Superpower is a HUGE buff enough for an entire revamp. Stoutland has been gaining popularity right at the end of BW1, and it probably deserves another serious look Uxie is like outclassed by Deoxys-D (no Taunt sux), not OU material tl;dr - I agree with pretty much most of your conclusions, except 1) Revamp for Amoonguss 2) Revamp for Celebi 3) Maybe -> Definite Revamp for Heracross 4) Stoutland IS OU-worthy and revamp-worthy 5) ditch Uxie plz __________________ Dark Horse Project: Conquer the Ladder! \| Word of Wisdom for Trainers \| Smogon Doubles: Let's Make It Official! Last edited by Pocket; Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:13:57 AM.