Originally Posted by Fat Scarfwynaut
Ive talked to people on #grammar about this a while back, and I feel the Forretress needs an update. First off the specially defensive set is pretty much pointless in the current metagame, I honestly do not see the point of it at all. Also the current set needs a bigger mention of hidden power ice, which at this point is pretty much a standard move, probably worth a slash even. And possibly the biggest issue is toxic spikes as a main move when its pretty inefective in the current meta with Amooguss and Tentacruel everywhere and most teams steel types or levitating.
I always thought the problem with the Forretress analysis has that it used 2 hazards but not 2 attacks. Most of the time I have seen a Forretress it runs 2 attacks instead of one. It really doesn't have the opportunities to set up hazards.
I wouldn't knock Toxic Spikes yet. Toxic Spikes is really really useful against Keldeo and Starmie because of that residual damage stacking on top of Life Orb. Even one layer is good, possibly better than two, against offensive Pokes because it does 12% every turn, including the turn they are switched in (Breloom and Terrakion are good examples).