Originally Posted by Fat jc104
I really don't understand what the problem is with cliches in the context. I mean, arceus overviews were always extremely cliched - and that was half the fun of them. If it were up to me, I would go as far as to actively encourage them. Underestimate cliches at your peril!!!
A number of these overviews are no longer remotely funny and read poorly, even worse than before. Gleaning information from them is still not easy. As always, there is the odd word that just makes absolutely no sense in context, as if the writer has not even bothered to look it up in a dictionary. If they're going to look like this just write normal overviews.
Finally, please don't touch the old normal arceus overview. That's been there for years and is a total classic. THE CONSEQUENCES SHALL BE MERCILESS.
As you probably already know jc104
, there were several "complaints" about the previous Arceus overviews being "extremely cliched" or "too flavorful." Just check this thread
for examples. In fact, you are the first person
in a long time to explicitly support this option.
Before this thread, the Arceus overviews were split between "all competitive," "all flavor," or "competitive/flavor." Arceus-Ground's overview would be an example of "all competitive." Arceus-Psychic's overview would be an example of "all flavor." Arceus-Water's overview would be an example of "competitive/flavor." Clearly, this isn't very consistent.
Personally, I don't think the Arceus overviews were supposed to be funny. It's not like He is Farfetch'd or Luvdisc, this is Arceus
we are talking about.
It is entirely possible to make an overview which has good competitive information as well as epic flavor. One doesn't have to limit him or herself to the extremes of "all flavor" or "all competitive," a mix of both can work perfectly fine when done right. This is where you
I noticed you made some comments about some overviews being hard to read. Could you please tell us the overviews which need improvement? It doesn't exactly help us improve the overviews in question if you don't tell us where to look.
It is to be noted that all these overviews are in a working state. Some like Arceus-Water haven't started the updating process. Others like Arceus-Grass have suggestions which haven't been fully addressed yet. If you have the time and have not done so already, read through the entire thread to see our work process. Also check Post #6.
Throughout this thread, you'll see peer edits, constant tweaking, and collaboration. All these steps are to ensure overview quality. I myself was planning on a major update for all my overviews once this project nears completion to check up on prose, uniqueness, possible flavor issues (Arceus-Steel in particular), and more.
We would greatly appreciate your feedback jc104
. I am sure your GP experience will prove most useful in ensuring the overviews are of the quality Smogon analyses are known for. It is a team effort after all.
Thanks for your input! It's always welcomed.
P.S. Try asking barry4ever
about your Arceus-Normal overview concerns. Last I heard, he was the one who wanted to update the overview. Oh, and I did use a dictionary ;).