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Originally Posted by Fat Jimera0
No offense, but I doubt you have actually used all three of those Pokemon like I have so I doubt you can compare them properly. Hypno is by far the best of all three. You mention coverage as an issue but the thing is Hypno doesn't NEED coverage when its STAB is Psychic. It has Submission and Headbutt and that's all it needs. Hypnosis is a boom as well, but I actually don't find myself using it nearly as often as would be implied by the section for it in the OP, since usually Hypno doesn't need it and the 55% accuracy makes it a crapshoot. No, I find myself plugging away with confusion/psychic far more often. And the fact that it's slow hardly matters when nothing can really hurt it anyway. I maintain that Hypno is High tier. It's not Top tier but it certainly deserves to be higher than it is now.
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No offence taken. This is Smogon though, so you should expect the userbase to be adequately familiar with what they're trying to discuss. If you really want to know, I've been playing RBY since 2001 and there shouldn't be any Pokemon about whose performance I'd still be mystified. "I have experience" therefore isn't a very good way of proving the validity of whatever it is you're trying to prove. If you're here, I expect you to have experience and I also expect that you're able to argue your position.
Hypno isn't anywhere as bulky as you're trying to make him look. His HP is above average and his Special stat allows him to tank special hits well enough (not the most common type of hits you'll be receiving). He's neither Cloyster nor Chansey though, and very far from it. His base attack is fairly mediocre, and Headbutt and Submission aren't too effective when he puts them to use.
This is also RBY, the generation of insane crit rates. If you're slow, you're in for a lot of crits (as well as status moves, accuracy falls, anything you can think of), so brace yourself for CH Hyper Fangs and whatever else, as Hypno's speed is below average.
Psychic's PP is limited, and without rich coverage, indeed, you have only Confusion to fall back on, and the effect achieved with it when attacking a poison-type is comparable to attacking with a neutral STAB Surf, for instance. It's nothing to be proud of.
You're also hyping up the psychic-typing too much. It's not competitive play, it's just one of the (good) move types at your disposal, and Psychic has less BP than Surf (which can be taught to anything any number of times you like) or Dig/Earthquake. Yeah, Psychic nails poisons. And that's all Hypno nails super-effectively seeing how Submission is mediocre, and even more mediocre without STAB and an actually good attack stat.
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Originally Posted by Fat Jimera0
Oh, also I'm kind of surprised to find Magikarp in the mid tier as well. It really isn't all that hard to get it to level 20 (I did it in like an hour, before I even got to Misty) and once it does evolve it becomes completely unstopable. Dragon Rage gives you ludicrous coverage until you get surf, Bite or whatever normal type TM you chose takes advantage of your monster attack. Gyarados is also bulky as hell and can take a huge number of hits that aren't electric or rock (both uncommon move types in generation I). Finally once it gets Surf, it gets perfect coverage in two moves. In fact, in the scramble where I used it I was limited to two useful moves, and that was all it needed to be my MVP by miles. While I can understand docking it a little for the time as magikarp, Gyarados' utter dominance after evolving surely qualifies it for high tier alongside Sandslash and Bulbasaur.
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You could achieve a whole lot of different things in that hour (progressing the game quite a bit), though, so there you go, that's why it's in mid tier.
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Originally Posted by Fat Jimera0
Speaking of which, also in that scramble was a nearly unrestricted Bulbasaur. Which fell FAR short of my highly restricted Gyarados in terms of usefulness. Food for thought.
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Gyarados isn't there to help out with Brock, the earlygame hikers and other trainers, and takes tedious grinding to, in fact, become a Gyarados. All of this matters quite a lot, and I don't see a reason to ignore it when choosing an appropriate tier position for the mon.
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Oh, one more HUGE problem I'm noticing with this topic.
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Yeah, it's been pointed out.