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The Reptile · Jul 29th, 2012, 7:55:17 PM

Mienshao
HP: 65
ATK: 125
DEF: 60
SPC: 60 (60 over 95)
SPE: 105

Hi Jump Kick
Rock Slide
Hyper Beam
Mimic

Mienshao is definitely the best straight forward Fighting-type. It doesn't have bulk like it's brethren, but it has Speed, which is much more important in this gen. He also is no slouch offensively, packing a huge 125 attack. Hi Jump Kick, however, is what puts him above everyone else. Hi Jump Kick is the strongest Fighting-type attack, and off his 125 attack, shit is going to get hurt. Sadly, he has no bulk, and loses the opportunity of a decent 95 special. Rock Slide is to hit Flying-types, and Hyper Beam is to finish things off when you don't want to risk missing. Mimic because you have no other options and can grab something useful like Earthquake. Dig can be used, but loldig.

Lucario
HP: 70
ATK: 110
DEF: 70
SPC: 115 (115 over 70)
SPE: 90

Hi Jump Kick
Ice Punch / Rock Slide
Thunder Punch / Earthquake
Agility / Sword Dance

Lucario is amazing for many reasons. One, it has great stats, with its 115 Special and 110 attack, not to mention it's decent 90 speed. Second, it has a great movepool, having access to Hi Jump Kick, EdgeQuake, and BoltBeam, not to mention 2 great set-up moves. Agility is great because it patches up Lucario's average speed, while Sword Dance lets it smash anything slower than it. It still has problems with Psychic-types, but it's Special would in theory allow it to live at least one Psychic. It loses it's Steel-typing, which is unfortunate, but it's not horrible. Overall, if you want a fighting-type, there two and Scrafty are your best bet imo. Other moves it can use include Hyper Beam and Psychic.

Also, Audino.

Audino
HP: 103
ATK: 60
DEF: 86
SPC: 60 (60 over 86)
SPE: 50

Amnesia
Ice Beam / Psychic
Thunderbolt / Psychic
Thunder Wave

This is like Chansey (and Blissey) but instead of Softboiled you have Amnesia. Good physical bulk before Amnesia, and good special bulk after it. Boltbeam coverage, and thunder wave make Audino solid. Also, Normal-type is amazing in RBY due to the bad Fighting-types in general. Psychic can fit anywhere if you don't mind losing part of BoltBeam. TWave for support.

EDIT: Due to the lower SpDef though, Audino isn't as solid as I thought it was. Still, most things with Amnesia are good, so it's ok. :)

Jul 29th, 2012, 7:55:17 PM	#33
The Reptile Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 639 DreMZ on PS! (´･ω･`)	Mienshao HP: 65 ATK: 125 DEF: 60 SPC: 60 (60 over 95) SPE: 105 Hi Jump Kick Rock Slide Hyper Beam Mimic Mienshao is definitely the best straight forward Fighting-type. It doesn't have bulk like it's brethren, but it has Speed, which is much more important in this gen. He also is no slouch offensively, packing a huge 125 attack. Hi Jump Kick, however, is what puts him above everyone else. Hi Jump Kick is the strongest Fighting-type attack, and off his 125 attack, shit is going to get hurt. Sadly, he has no bulk, and loses the opportunity of a decent 95 special. Rock Slide is to hit Flying-types, and Hyper Beam is to finish things off when you don't want to risk missing. Mimic because you have no other options and can grab something useful like Earthquake. Dig can be used, but loldig. Lucario HP: 70 ATK: 110 DEF: 70 SPC: 115 (115 over 70) SPE: 90 Hi Jump Kick Ice Punch / Rock Slide Thunder Punch / Earthquake Agility / Sword Dance Lucario is amazing for many reasons. One, it has great stats, with its 115 Special and 110 attack, not to mention it's decent 90 speed. Second, it has a great movepool, having access to Hi Jump Kick, EdgeQuake, and BoltBeam, not to mention 2 great set-up moves. Agility is great because it patches up Lucario's average speed, while Sword Dance lets it smash anything slower than it. It still has problems with Psychic-types, but it's Special would in theory allow it to live at least one Psychic. It loses it's Steel-typing, which is unfortunate, but it's not horrible. Overall, if you want a fighting-type, there two and Scrafty are your best bet imo. Other moves it can use include Hyper Beam and Psychic. Also, Audino. Audino HP: 103 ATK: 60 DEF: 86 SPC: 60 (60 over 86) SPE: 50 Amnesia Ice Beam / Psychic Thunderbolt / Psychic Thunder Wave This is like Chansey (and Blissey) but instead of Softboiled you have Amnesia. Good physical bulk before Amnesia, and good special bulk after it. Boltbeam coverage, and thunder wave make Audino solid. Also, Normal-type is amazing in RBY due to the bad Fighting-types in general. Psychic can fit anywhere if you don't mind losing part of BoltBeam. TWave for support. EDIT: Due to the lower SpDef though, Audino isn't as solid as I thought it was. Still, most things with Amnesia are good, so it's ok. :) __________________ I do the arts now! :D Last edited by The Reptile; Jul 29th, 2012 at 8:25:53 PM.