Originally Posted by Fat Scarfwynaut
In my experience, Milotic, Jellicent and Vaporeon are about the only bulky waters that can take giga drains without much issue, and maybe are crippled by toxic. Jellicent just beats you always because of taunt. Usually Vaporeon is hydration these days, so toxic is useless, and Milotic can be taken out by a crit if it falls asleep. Both can't touch Amoonguss usually meaning if its a serious problem, both can be easily PP stalled to death (yes I have done this, do not tempt me to waste 30 minutes of your time), dieing to burns in 15 turns not to much of an issue because of regenerator.
Toxic is generally useless vs dragons anyway since sure they are going to die, but in the meantime they are taking out half your team. Im not saying you have to run HP ice, but toxic is a pretty inferior option.
Time to take this apart, via playtesting.
Firstly, vaporeon might be hydration but A:It might not and B: if rain isn't up and i am great at that it's fucked anyhow. Secondly, some jellicent's won't taunt, especially if they need to heal that turn. Oh, and milotic can only be beaten if spore hasn't been used on something else AND with a crit? Not a great idea.
Salamence can take down half my team, dragonite maybe with luck.
Anyways, i'm unfortunately playtesting on the old PO server-it's a little shitty, and maybe some of the results are skewed as such, but i find it's really helpful to surprise a stallmon and fuck it up. I find i rarely would use HP ice anyhow, if i really think mence or nite is switching in i double switch to hippow, starmie.