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TrollFreak · Jul 31st, 2012, 7:02:47 AM

As requested, here's my rate Alex :) Ofc, you had alot of sucess as is, so you don't need to take any of these suggestions.

On Groundon, if you're going to use Max Attack and Speed, just use Adamant, as you don't need to max on Speed when using Jolly. However, if you do want to run Jolly, a spread of 96 HP / 252 Atk / 160 Spd works, as you outpace neutral natured base 90s without losing significant bulk. For Giratina-O, while Poppy's suggestion of Outrage works wonders, imo, Will-O-Wisp > Shadow Sneak with a spread of 164 HP / 188 Atk / 72 Def / 84 Spd will work better, as you can cripple Pokemon such as SD Arceus, which can be a threat since you don't have a physical tank / D-Bond on Frosslass, and with that spread, you can survive a SD Arceus's Shadow Claw and either burn it or phaze it out. Also, with that spread, you can make 4 Subs, and you have enough Speed to outpace Tentacruel, Dialga, and Mold Breaker Exca so you can hit them with EQ. Finally, using a Choice Scarf on Palkia with Thunder > Dragon Tail and a spread of 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd works much better, as it gives your team a revenge killer than can revenge kill things that Zekrom can't(faster dragons, for example). This also gives you a way to deal with Manaphy in the rain, which can be troublesome. The spread means you take less damage from entry hazards, so thats always nice.

From there, I start changing members. Jibaku brought up some great points, and there is a Pokemon that can deal with most of those threats, Stallbreaker Heatran > Zekrom works wonders here, since you would have a Choice Scarfed Palkia + Zekrom is so slow for a scarfer in the current meta, plus Heatran gives you a Dragon resist that can deal with Dialga w/o Earth Power + Aura Sphere(which is rare on Dialga), makes a great Kyurem-White/Palkia switch in(Palkia in Sun, as Surf won't 2HKO), Ho-Oh without EQ, Giratina-O without EQ, Arceus-Ghost w/o Focus Blast or Brick Break, Arceus-Dark, as well as loving Sun from Groundon. It can also help break down Skarmory + Ferrothorn, taking pressure of of Groundon to handle those Pokemon. Plus, with Roar, you can help spread around entry hazard damage, which is helpful since this is SpikeStacking offense. From there, you could use something with Speed to keep up the pressure, so Mewtwo > Arceus works, as it deals with Arceus-Fighting and Mewtwo packs the offensive pressure that both Poppy and Jibaku suggested, as well as better coverage than Arceus. Now of course, losing Arceus is hard, especially with SpikeStacking offense, but since 2 people have suggested it that have much more experience than me, try it out.

So, in summary:

Adamant > Jolly on Groundon OR New EV Spread w/ Jolly

Will-O-Wisp > Shadow Sneak + New Spread on Giratina-O

Choice Scarf + Thunder + New EV Spread on Palkia

Heatran > Zekrom

Mewtwo > Arceus

Sets

Good Job on getting #1, hope my rate helps!

Jul 31st, 2012, 7:02:47 AM	#10
TrollFreak (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,249 New York born, New York proud	As requested, here's my rate Alex :) Ofc, you had alot of sucess as is, so you don't need to take any of these suggestions. On Groundon, if you're going to use Max Attack and Speed, just use Adamant, as you don't need to max on Speed when using Jolly. However, if you do want to run Jolly, a spread of 96 HP / 252 Atk / 160 Spd works, as you outpace neutral natured base 90s without losing significant bulk. For Giratina-O, while Poppy's suggestion of Outrage works wonders, imo, Will-O-Wisp > Shadow Sneak with a spread of 164 HP / 188 Atk / 72 Def / 84 Spd will work better, as you can cripple Pokemon such as SD Arceus, which can be a threat since you don't have a physical tank / D-Bond on Frosslass, and with that spread, you can survive a SD Arceus's Shadow Claw and either burn it or phaze it out. Also, with that spread, you can make 4 Subs, and you have enough Speed to outpace Tentacruel, Dialga, and Mold Breaker Exca so you can hit them with EQ. Finally, using a Choice Scarf on Palkia with Thunder > Dragon Tail and a spread of 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd works much better, as it gives your team a revenge killer than can revenge kill things that Zekrom can't(faster dragons, for example). This also gives you a way to deal with Manaphy in the rain, which can be troublesome. The spread means you take less damage from entry hazards, so thats always nice. From there, I start changing members. Jibaku brought up some great points, and there is a Pokemon that can deal with most of those threats, Stallbreaker Heatran > Zekrom works wonders here, since you would have a Choice Scarfed Palkia + Zekrom is so slow for a scarfer in the current meta, plus Heatran gives you a Dragon resist that can deal with Dialga w/o Earth Power + Aura Sphere(which is rare on Dialga), makes a great Kyurem-White/Palkia switch in(Palkia in Sun, as Surf won't 2HKO), Ho-Oh without EQ, Giratina-O without EQ, Arceus-Ghost w/o Focus Blast or Brick Break, Arceus-Dark, as well as loving Sun from Groundon. It can also help break down Skarmory + Ferrothorn, taking pressure of of Groundon to handle those Pokemon. Plus, with Roar, you can help spread around entry hazard damage, which is helpful since this is SpikeStacking offense. From there, you could use something with Speed to keep up the pressure, so Mewtwo > Arceus works, as it deals with Arceus-Fighting and Mewtwo packs the offensive pressure that both Poppy and Jibaku suggested, as well as better coverage than Arceus. Now of course, losing Arceus is hard, especially with SpikeStacking offense, but since 2 people have suggested it that have much more experience than me, try it out. So, in summary: Adamant > Jolly on Groundon OR New EV Spread w/ Jolly Pros: Much more power without losing out to anything significant OR gaining more bulk with Jolly while outpacing neutral base 90s such as Reshiram and Zekrom and Mixed Rayquaza Cons: Adamant means you speed tie with other neutral base 90s OR Jolly means you lose to faster positive speed base 90s, though most are neutral natured, so it shouldn't be too big a change. Will-O-Wisp > Shadow Sneak + New Spread on Giratina-O Pros: Will-O-Wisp cripples physical attackers such as SD Arceus and Terrakion, New EV Spread means much more bulk while being able to take a +2 Arceus's Shadow Claw, allowing you to burn it or phaze it out Cons: Losing Shadow Sneak to check Mewtwo and losing power + speed on Giratina, though you still hit hard with that spread as well as still outpacing Pokemon such as Dialga and other slower base 90s Choice Scarf + Thunder + New EV Spread on Palkia Pros: Revenge Killer, takes care of Pokemon such as Rayquaza, Kyurem-W, and other Pokemon Zekrom can't, Thunder smashes Kyorge + Manaphy in rain, New EV Spread = less damage from hazards Cons: Losing Haban Berry, which does make it tank attacks from Dragons, though with a Scarf you'll be killing them anyways + losing Dragon Tail to scout switch ins + spread damage Heatran > Zekrom Pros: Dragon-resist, Fire-immune, Dark-resist(huge for Darkrai) handles Pokemon such as Dialga, Ho-Oh, Arceus-Dark and others easily unless they run Earth Power or EQ, so its always best to scout for those first before trusting Heatran, Toxic to break down Pokemon such as Lugia and Kyorge switch ins, Roar to spread damage Cons: Losing a reliable check to Mewtwo + losing a Darkrai check, though Heatran can beat Mewtwo w/o Aura Sphere + Dakrai w/o Focus Blast, and if they do have those moves, thanks to SpD investment, Heatran can take an attack(Aura Sphere nor Focus Blast OHKO) and phaze them out Mewtwo > Arceus Pros: More Speed + Better Coverage than Arceus, racks up the offensive pressure, which is great with the Spikes + Rocks your team will have up Cons: Losing a late game cleaner which can devestate teams with Powerful ESpeeds, though Mewtwo is also a late game cleaner, and it helps majorly with the Arceus-Fighting problem, so give it a shot Sets Heatran (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Flash Fire EVs: 248 HP / 152 SDef / 108 Spd Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Taunt - Toxic - Roar - Flamethrower Mewtwo @ Life Orb Trait: Pressure EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Psystrike - Fire Blast - Aura Sphere / Shadow Ball - Substitute / Shadow Ball / Calm Mind Good Job on getting #1, hope my rate helps! __________________ Work Ever wanted to contribute to Smogon? 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