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Mewtwo (revamp) (QC 3/3)
So Mewtwo needs an update apparently, and Colonel_M is lazy so I stole it from him!
- can do literally anything it wants with its massive movepool and great stats
- Great coverage
- Amazing Speed and special attacks
- Psystrike is a huge asset this generation allowing it to smash Chansey/Blissey/Ho-Oh
- Doesn't usually sweep but excels at blasting holes
- its not frail but not bulky; can take a hit
- not exactly the best typing or defenses, but it can still run an effective walling set with an extremely fast Taunt and Recover
- No true counters 100% of the time; depends on set and what that set is running
- arguably one of the best and most threatening Pokemon in the game
- Biggest downfall is 4 moveslot syndrome
name: Psycho Killer
move 1: Psystrike
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Aura Sphere / Fire Blast
move 4: Calm Mind / Fire Blast / Recover
item: Life Orb
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Raw power and blazing speed coupled with great coverage make this set extremely dangerous
- will almost always get at least one kill
- won't usually be able to sweep, but excels at blasting holes in teams, easily being able to get 1-2 kills if used at the correct time
- Psystrike was a great gift for Mewtwo, allowing it to power through Chansey and Blissey (and to a lesser extent Kyogre and Ho-Oh) without Selfdestruct
- Ice Beam hits the multitude of Dragon-types hard and is a great attacking type because it can hit Giratina/Lugia/Groudon for super effective damage
- The choice between Fire Blast and Aura Sphere in the third slot can be a difficult one. Fire Blast is dependent on the weather either being neutral or sunny to be able to hurt Jirachi, Metagross, and Bronzong. Jirachi is notable because it is the closest thing to a Mewtwo "counter" there is outside of sun. Aura Sphere hurts Tyranitar, Heatran, Dialga, and Dark Arceus on the other hand.
- The last slot has some options too. If you want more power, Mewtwo easily finds opportunities to use Calm Mind with its offensive presence. If you don't want to choose between Aura Sphere and Fire Blast, you can simply use both, forgoing Calm Mind in favor of less power but better coverage.
- EVs are obvious
- Timid is necessary to outspeed Pokemon such as Darkrai, Arceus, and Shaymin-S
- Substitute can be used to take advantage of the switching Mewtwo is bound to cause. The answer to Mewtwo is usually sacrifice something then switch out a revenge killer: Substitute capitalizes on this.
- Mewtwo has tons of coverage options, but the ones listed are usually ideal
- Grass Knot can be used if you want a move to smack Kyogre and Groudon
- Thunder is a weather-dependant coverage option for hitting Manaphy, Kyogre, Ho-Oh, and Lugia hard
- Thunderbolt can be used as well but generally considered inferior - Mewtwo really enjoys the extra power Thunder provides
- Shadow Ball can be used to hit Pokemon such as Giratina, Latias, and Lugia . It also hits Wobbuffet hard, but it should be noted that Wobbuffet has 0% chance to be OHKOed by even +1 Shadow Ball after Stealth Rock. Also, even super effective Shadow Ball is outdamaged by neutral Fire Blast in the sun (by a considerable amount)
- Flamethrower is there for reliability and more PP, but Mewtwo really needs that extra power
- If you are using Fire Blast, Groudon is a good teammate to provide sunlight
- Residual damage is Mewtwo's biggest enemy, meaning a Rapid Spinner such as Forretress, Tentacruel, or Excadrill can improve Mewtwo's staying power. Tentacruel can also absorb Toxic Spikes.
- What can check Mewtwo defensively depends on the coverage move.
- Without Aura Sphere, Tyranitar, Heatran, Dialga, and Dark Arceus in the rain can all give Mewtwo some trouble. All three of four Pokemon are weak to Fighting-type attacks, so something like Fighting Arceus (which can easily take a hit from each of these Pokemon bar a Specs variant of Dialga) works well. Ground Arceus can also work for three out of the four, but besides those two there are few Ground- or Fighting-types that don't mind the attacks those four can throw at them.
- Jirachi, Psychic Arceus, Metagross, Bronzong can annoy Mewtwo if it lacks Fire Blast or its raining. Groudon with Fire Punch and Earthquake can handle the three Steel-types (Jirachi being really the only one commonly used), where as Psychic Arceus is rarely used, but can be destroyed by Darkrai.
- Mewtwo is often relying on raw power to muscle through Pokemon, so entry hazards go a long way to aid Mewtwo smashing through teams. A Pokemon to lay them down is good (Forretress, Tentacruel again + Ferrothorn, Skarmory, Deoxys-S). SR + SPikes with either Shadow Ball or sunshine with Fire Blast is needed to ensure Wobbuffet doesn't counter Mewtwo even with +1 SpA, although mind games can be played with Calm Mind / attacking move + Encore/Mirror Coat
- One really shouldn't try to support Mewtwo with defensive synergy as people will rarely try to take out Mewtwo via super effective coverage, rather strong neutral attacks or status.
- People often rely on revenge killers to take Mewtwo out after it has taken a few rounds of Life Orb recoil, so something like lure Thunder Wave Kyogre can help out (be careful if using Fire Blast + Kyogre)
- Very few Pokemon can actually outright OHKO full HP Mewtwo with the movesets they commonly run, so be careful with your Life Orb recoil and prediction!
- Leftovers can be used to take advantage of this, but the power drop hurts
- Wobbuffet can be used to eliminate a Choiced revenge killer and open up a sweep for another Pokemon. Unfortunately, it has the same weaknesses as Mewtwo, but people rarely try to exploit Mewtwo's weaknesses to take it down. Rather, they rely on strong neutral attacks.
name: Bulky Attacker
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Psystrike
move 3: Fire Blast / Aura Sphere
move 4: Recover / Ice Beam
evs: 156 HP / 100 SpA / 252 Spe
- A bulkier variant of the Psycho Killer set
- This set aims to use Mewtwo's bulk and utility movepool to set up while staying relatively healthy, then proceed to SMASH
- Gives up the power to simply smash and tear holes for the ability to set up Calm Mind more reliably
- "Bulky Attacker" may seem to indicate this is inferior and wasting potential on such a powerful attacker, but this set is actually more likely to pull off a sweep and focuses on that rather than blasting holes
- Mewtwo's bulk is often overlooked and is not too shabby
- Takes advantage of the sacrifice something and revenge kill mentality a lot of players use when facing Mewtwo
- Psystrike is basically manditory on Mewtwo as a powerful STAB move that destroys Chansey/Blissey
- the choice between Fire Blast / Aura Sphere depends on what you want to hit harder: Steel-types such as Jirachi Metagross and Bronzong (as well as being extremely powerful against Pokemon that resist Psychic that are neutral to Fire in the sun), or Pokemon like Dialga, Heatran, and Tyranitar.
- Calm Mind is extremely useful to assist in sweeping
- Ice Beam is useful for additional coverage against Dragons
- Recover is useful to heal off damage taken while setting up. After a Calm Mind use, many Pokemon are unable to do more than chip away at Mewtwo's health, allowing it to get a few Calm Minds before they realize their efforts to chip away are in vain as Mewtwo uses Recover.
- Timid is still necessary to outspeed Arceus and Darkrai
- 100 SpA EVs ensure Psystrike can 2HKO 52 HP Latias after Stealth Rock, forcing it to either spam Recover, allowing you to get another Calm Mind, or die
- Leftovers goes a long way and Life Orb is far too detrimental to the purpose of this set
- Mewtwo has major four moveslot syndrome
- Taunt is also an option to help Mewtwo set up against slower-paced teams
- You can invest more in bulk or more in SpA depending on how bulky/powerful you want Mewtwo to be
- Substitute is useful for preventing status and scouting counters. With 204 HP EVs, Mewtwo can make 101 HP substitutes which require 2 uses of Seismic Toss to break. Mewtwo can easily set up a Substitute on a lot of Dragon-types after they have used Draco Meteor. Coincidentally, 52 SpA EVs (how much will be left over) are enough to ensure Latias will be 2HKOed by Ice Beam even if it uses Calm Mind assuming it switches into Mewtwo using Calm Mind with Stealth Rock on the field.
- There are quite a few combinations of utility/coverage moves that you can tailor for your team
- More coverage moves means Mewtwo will be walled by less Pokemon, but also means it will (generally) have less potential to set up and sweep
- If you don't really care about the extra power and would prefer a little extra bulk, you can move the SpA EVs into HP
- Conversely, running max SpA is also an option if you want to hit harder, but doing this kind of goes against the idea of this set
- This Mewtwo appreciated a bit more support than the all-out offensive variant
- Toxic Spikes basically neuter this variant of Mewtwo, so something to absorb or spin them away is necessary (Tentacruel, Poison Arceus, Forretress, Excadrill)
- Without Ice Beam, Lugia in the rain (or in any weather if you lack Fire Blast too), Latias, and to a lesser extent Giratina can wall you all day. Darkrai, Ghost Arceus, and Dark Arceus can all help against these Pokemon.
- Without Aura Sphere Dialga, Tyranitar, Dark Arceus in the rain, and Heatran can give Mewtwo some problems. Fighting Arceus is a good choice that can take a hit from all of these Pokemon and strike back with super effective STAB. Ground Arceus also deserves a mention for being able to take 3/4 of the Pokemon on.
- Without Fire Blast, Jirachi, Bronzong, and Metagross can attempt to wall you, but, depending on what they are running, they may not be able to do much back. Jirachi can't always break Mewtwo's substitutes with Iron Head, Metagross does around the same damage to Mewtwo as Mewtwo does back with +1 Aura Sphere, and is always outsped even if it is holding a Scarf. Bronzong does fairly well, but is rarely seen in Ubers.
- Without Calm Mind, you fail to break through Pokemon such as Chansey
- Forgoing Substitute gives up the ability to scout incoming switches and makes Mewtwo vulnerable to things such as Thunder Wave Dialga and Toxic Jirachi
- Without Recover, you have a lot less staying ability
- Groudon can provide Stealth Rock and power up Mewtwo's Fire Blast
- Mewtwo can't really create defensive cores with this set, so one should focus on offensive synergy rather than defensive. Pokemon like Darkrai (which can eliminate most problematic Calm Mind users that Mewtwo has trouble with) and Fighting Arceus make good partners
name: Support (StallTwo)
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Recover
move 3: Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
move 4: Psystrike / Light Screen / Substitute
evs: 252 HP / 80 SpD / 176 Spe
- Seems rather weird, but is extremely effective, especially against opposing stall teams
- Mewtwo's great Speed and support movepool let it stall out and annoy a wide variety of threats. Pressure helps too.
- Taunt allows Mewtwo to prevent other Pokemon from statusing it, healing themselves, or setting up
- Recover in conjunction with Mewtwo's Speed allows it to heal before most things can even touch it
- Once again, 4 moveslot syndrome kicks in for slots 3 and 4
- Will-O-Wisp allows Mewtwo to stall out non-Fire-type physical attacks quite effectively, letting it repeatedly heal while they slowly die to burn damage. Toxic does more damage faster with the downside of leaving Mewtwo helpless against Steel-types and without a way to cushion the blows of powerhouses such as Zekrom and Groudon
- Psystrike allows Mewtwo to hit Ho-Oh and Reshiram hard if you are running Will-O-Wisp, as otherwise Mewtwo would have no way of touching them
- Light Screen lets Mewtwo sponge the hits of powerful special attackers with ease, and makes Mewtwo fairly hard to crack when used with Will-O-Wisp
- Substitute is useful for scouting a switch in, and preventing status. It also helps Mewtwo stall out the numerous moves with 8 PP, thanks to Pressure.
- There is very little reason to run anything other than leftovers
- While Mewtwo really specializes in neutering things with Taunt + Status + Recover spam
- Oftentimes relies on prediction between status and Taunt (is Ferrothorn going to Gyro Ball or Leech Seed?)
- The given EVs maximize bulk while still allowing it to outspeed Arceus
- EVs are definitely not set in stone as Mewtwo has a variety of viable EV spread. You can run enough to outspeed Darkrai (216 EVs with a neutral nature, though Mewtwo can't do much back), or, if outspeeding Arceus doesn't bother you, drop it down to enough to outspeed base 110 Speed Pokemon such as Latias, Latios, and Lugia (96 EVs with +Speed or 220 EVs with neutral nature). These three are a handy benchmark, but you can drop Mewtwo's speed down still further to enough to outspeed base 95s, namely Rayquaza, if that all you really care about (88 EVs with neutral nature).
- Where you move the EVs to is really up to you. Mewtwo can go physically or specially defensive, and you can even shift the SpD EVs to Def.
- The best way to determine your EV spread is to open up a damage calc and determine what is most important for Mewtwo to survive for its purpose on your team, because there's just so many options
- With Will-O-Wisp you have to stall for more turns (risking crit, 10% chance moves etc) than Toxic, but with Toxic physical attackers give you trouble.
- Without Light Screen, powerful special attacker can demolish Mewtwo, though, given, not many like taking even an uninvested Psystrike (252 HP Kyogre has a good chance to be 2HKOed after Stealth Rock). Chansey or Blissey can easily sponge special attacks if you forgo Light Screen.
- One of the great things about this Mewtwo is that it completely rewrites the list of Pokemon that can check/counter it. Defensive or bulky Pokemon hoping to tank a hit from Mewtwo and cripple it through non-attacking methods now are easily neutered and offense is the easiest way to break through it
- Darkrai, Ho-Oh, and Reshiram are the biggest enemies to this set if Mewtwo is running Will-O-Wisp. Darkrai doesn't really care about anything Mewtwo can run besides Toxic and can smash it with Dark Pulse or sleep it with Dark Void. Ho-Oh and Reshiram don't really appreciate Psystrike, but can wall Mewtwo to no end if it lacks both Psystrike and Toxic. These are two Pokemon you do not want to give a free switch in to, so Stealth Rock support and something to deal with them is helpful if you forgo both of these moves. Kyogre can take Fire-type attacks from both but has to watch out for their other STAB. Kyogre can also take care of Darkrai provided that Sleep Clause is activated and Dark Pulse doesn't flinch.
- Toxic Spikes completely neuter this Mewtwo set, so a spinner or absorber (Forretress, Tentacruel, Excadrill, Poison Arceus) is almost mandatory.
- Tspikes support may contradict the use of Will-O-Wisp, but they are notable for allowing Mewtwo to simply Taunt and begin spamming Recover without having to waste a turn (and take damage) statusing something.
- Appreciates hazard support for the switching it will cause
- Xatu shuts this set down
- Physical sets? (bulk up)
- Expert Belt I guess
- It does have a massive movepool
- Dual Screens + Selfdestruct + Taunt
- Choice sets suck
- Defense boosting moves
[Checks and Counters]
- It does not have any failsafe counters. Ever.
- One must be careful because checks to offensive Mewtwo often fall flat against a support variant or even a more defensively-oriented offensive set
- defensive Dark Arceus with Payback is a bit gimmicky but is probably one of the closest things to a "counter" offensive Mewtwo has, but will actually lose to stalltwo
- Jirachi can check offensive variants in the rain or in neutral weather if they lack Fire Blast. +1 Aura Sphere fails to 2HKO, but Fire Blast still can unfortunately. However, Jirachi will still have an opportunity to Poison/Paralyze Mewtwo, effectively neutering it.
- In a similar vein, Metagross and Bronzong can be used for a more offensive and less defensive check in the rain/if Mewtwo lacks Fire Blast
- If Mewtwo lacks Aura Sphere, Dialga , Heatran, Tyranitar, and Dark Arceus (in the rain) can all act as effective checks
- Without Life Orb and Calm Mind, Chansey has a respectable chance to live 2 Psystrikes, but don't count on it because any Mewtwo without Life Orb will most likely have either Calm Mind or Substitute.
- Wobbuffet can very effectively check non-Taunt variants, as even +1 Shadow Ball will never OHKO 28/252+ Wobbuffet after Stealth Rock. +1 Fire Blast in the sun, however, has a decent chance (a little over 50%) to OHKO Wobbuffet after Stealth Rock
- Since Mewtwo lacks any true counters, revenge killers are often used (Scarf Kyurem-B (YAY), Zekrom, Kyogre, etc etc)
- Be wary of going straight to revenge killers though, as few things outright KO full HP Mewtwo, so hazards and abuse of Life Orb recoil via prediction are often useful before the revenge killer comes in
- That being said, almost every user of Choice Scarf can revenge kill Mewtwo after some prior damage. Physical ones such as Zekrom, Garchomp, and Terrakion are notable for being able to revenge kill Mewtwo regardless of how many Calm Minds it has obtained
- Specially based Choice Scarf users must be careful not to let Mewtwo obtain too many Calm Minds
- Toxic Spikes and the fact that Mewtwo commonly carries Life Orb can help wear it don quickly
- Giratina-O can make a dent in Mewtwo with Shadow Sneak, but Ice Beam does major damage back
- Ghost Arceus can take a hit and OHKO Mewtwo with Judgment provided it hasn't used Calm Mind. If it has +1 SpD, Arceus needs a good deal of prior damage to ensure the KO with Judgment
- Victini resists all of Mewtwo's commonly used moves and can OHKO with V-create in the sun. Despite it resisting, Mewtwo can still 2HKO it after Stealth Rock so it has to be careful
- If you can keep Stealth Rock off the field (which is oftentimes easier said than done), Multiscale Lugia can attempt to check Mewtwo with Thunder Wave or Toxic in combination with Roost. Or just flat out spamming Roost to kill Mewtwo with Life Orb recoil (won't work if Mewtwo has Calm Mind or Taunt), and only against offensive variants
- For stalltwo, powerful special attackers (such as Kyogre and Reshiram) are good choices.
- Ho-Oh and Reshiram are immune to WoW from Stalltwo, but both take a beating from Psystrike. They can effectively force it out (or KO it) in most cases though
- Psychic Arceus gives Mewtwo some trouble if Mewtwo it lacks Fire Blast or the sun isn't shining
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Last edited by firecape; Aug 10th, 2012 at 12:50:52 AM.
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