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Old Aug 5th, 2012, 6:05:53 PM   #16
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ok saying ek arceus deserves its own tier is only reasonable relative to putting lugia in its own tier

lugia is ok but wtf, it doesn't really DO anything besides phaze (unless you're using an offensive set, but then it's not really for defensive tier so..)

ek arceus is good, but own tier good? not really. ek arceus that don't run 252+ spd are checked by terrakion / arceus - ghost / arceus steel / skarmory / groudon / scarf pokemon that resists espeed

probably tier 1 should be

(normal / ghost / ground / dragon) arceus / mewtwo / kyogre / groudon / palkia / zekrom / kyurem-w / darkrai / ho-oh / dialga / rayquaza (i don't count latias because i view it as more of a defensive threat)
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