Originally Posted by Fat nygerman
Not having a water attack on Kingdra is just crazy. Ice beam is pretty useless. Outrage already takes dragons and water takes ground types. Ice beam is really only for grass types and every grass type other than Breloom is too bulky. HP ground is even more useless. It doesn't really kill anything.
Kingdra is not made for sun teams. THat's like using venusaur on a sand team.
Deoxys-Defense @ Leftovers
EVs: 176 Spd / 80 HP / 252 SAtk
- Stealth Rock
- Psycho Boost
- Ice Beam
he loss of Bulk seems unappetizing at first, but I guess it could get some kills. The onsite set is more reliable though, being faster, having better coverage in Flamethrower or Thunderbolt, and having either one of those moves be stronger with a gem.
If Ice Beam is used, I would prefer Ice Gem. But, this would only
be implemented if you are super afraid of Latias/Hydreigon..
Obviously Kingdra wasn't "Made for sun teams." He is there because Heatran royally fucks most sun teams. Therefore, Hidden Power Ground is
reliable enough to take him out, and it hits Jirachi under the Rain too. Also, Kingdra is a more than decent counter to the oh so popular Rain Teams. Kingdra can be good on any kind of team, and Sun is not excluded. Originally Ice Beam was there to hit Tornadus, and it doesn't do bad at all. As the guy above you (somewhere) said, Hydro Pump can still take things out, I just didn't like it in the sun.
Originally Posted by Fat Redjar
Celebi @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Spe / 4Def
-Leech Seed/HP Fire
ome defensive stats might be helpful, but generally this is a really good Pokemon as is. I wouldn't suggest Bold nature with your current Evs though. You should try Timid. I can see this Pokemon easily getting away from threats and into Checks(counters). Too bad Tornadus is so prominent :p