[BROStime]

Originally Posted by Fat cim

the problem with gligar isn't that it can't take hits, it's that it's really dead weight outside of defense. it can stealth rock, but not too much else. it doesn't hit hard enough at all to be much of an offensive threat. the best it can really do is use taunt to not be set-up fodder.

As I said with access to slow U-Turn it can be really good helping your offensive threats in to the battle without taking hits. Also Gligar has access to Roost, meaning that it can come in later in the game and Roost up so I wont say Gligar is dead weight when used the right way.

Originally Posted by Fat hilarious

Thank you for your obviously well thought out post and thank you again for your timely response. You were kind enough to put your ignorance on display for the world to gaze at so let me explain why you are quite incorrect and, more importantly, why I am quite correct.

You state that "Gligar is a great physical wall as [it] counter[s] huge threats in Heracross and Flygon." You could fill Gligar with say, Dusclops, and still end up with a statement true...according to your undeniably flawed logic. Let me tell you now, Dusclops is not a good wall outside of full stall in UU and if you don't trust me on that, I suggest you to play UU before displaying your ignorance like my friend BROStime did here. Obviously your first sentence is invalid because countering two powerful threats is not good enough to make a wall good. Walls exist only to counter threats, lots of threats, they aren't about to sweep teams or break open cores. If you can counter two out of thirty, maybe fourty, offensive Pokemon you suck.

Of course if you had actually read my post before you would have learned Gligar is not a reliable counter to either Heracross or Flygon. Heracross can simply slap on SD, with either a status orb or Leftovers to bulldoze through Gligar. I myself am fond of a more defensive variant of Heracross with SD that some great guy on IRC gave me a set for, just enough to outrun Adamant Honchkrow and lots of HP/Defense with an Adamant nature. It sucks up Earthquake like its nothing. In that case, Heracross counter Gligar not the other way around.

Gligar can reliably counter Scarfcross and Scarfgon but plenty of stuff can, including for instance, Eviolite Wartortle. Wartortle I assure you is not very good in UU. Flygon though can easily get around Gligar by using its reputation as a Scarf user to lure in Gligar at ~80% since a Band Outrage does 40% on average. Draco Meteor with LO 2hkos Gligar. Gligar in short, cannot reliably counter these two Pokemon even if they use conventional sets.

Gligar does have access to Roost, thank you for mentioning that. Rather unfortunately it still cannot counter these Pokemon because it has no time to Roost unless you want to constantly spam Roost the entire game to stay at 90%+ in which case your opponent will probably have already set up a +6 Ludiculo in Rain or something retarded like that. Gligar has a higher standard of living than most defensive Pokemon because it lacks Leftovers meaning it needs to constantly be at around 85% after Stealth Rock damage which is basically 100% to counter stuff. If not it cannot even counter LO Arcanine, which is not so good but common, reliably.

It has a slow U-turn, I will give you that which is cool. Of course if you want to use U-turn on say Darmanitan expecting a switch you may be royally screwed.

Gligar has fantastic defenses. Well physically at least it what I think you mean . Cobalion is a relatively weak attacker. Apart from the absolutely pathetic fact that Gligar cannot 2hko Cobalion reliably without Spikes, you must realize Gligar not at 100% health have a very good chance of dying to SD boosted Iron Heads because of the flinch chance. Bisharp does the same but it is stronger and can only take one EQ. See my original post for more on that. I did not mention the implications of that though, if a 90 base attack pokemon can defeat Gligar, it surely means others with greater can too am I right? Of course I am! Arcanine needs Gligar to take SR twice. Scrafty needs Ice Punch or Bulk Up. Darmanitan needs just a LO to 2hko. Victini needs a Band or a special lure. Sharpedo needs to use STAB. Kingdra needs to use STAB. Azumarill needs to use STAB. Weavile needs to use STAB. Mienshao needs to use HP ice or BP SD boosts away. Flygon needs a Band. Heracross needs SD. Rhyperior needs Ice Punch. Swampert needs STAB. Honchkrow needs you to switch in SR twice. Snorlax needs Curse or Ice Punch. Machamp needs Ice Punch or Rest Talk. These, perhaps most shockingly, are all part of standard sets. So basically Gligar can reliably counter Krookodile (I swear BU is going to be popular) and Stoutland (LOL).

"Ok hilarious we motherfucking get it now, you don't need to rant." No you don't get it and yes I need to rant because apparently some of you just don't get it or otherwise disregard my posts. Are they too long? mayyyybeee. If you cannot spend the five minutes it takes to read my posts then please don't bother to respond.

Wow calm down dude lol ! You know just like me that Gligar counters a lot off huge threats not only Flygon and Heracross, I thought you got my point but you obviously didnt. And YES it is an defensive pokemon with not too powerfull attacks that is why U-Turn come in handy, also Gliscor has great synergy with a lot off pokes out there so if you say Gligar is a bad mon your wrong, but whatever I dont need you to tell me what to do. I have played competitive for a while and, I find UU extremely fun. So dont be a douche because I dont share the same opinion as you do.
Have a nice day further.